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I just tried to upgrade Ubuntu and I suddenly see that new packages want to be installed; snapd and firefox. I don't need Firefox because I'm already using Firefox-ESR as a deb and I certainly don't need snaps.

Why is Ubuntu doing this? I get it you like snaps but I don't, so don't try to force install it. I had to use apt-mark hold to block the install of snapd and firefox. This is also not an isolated incident. I just checked Reddit and someone made a thread 8 hours back regarding the same issue.

This thing is giving me Microsoft vibes.

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[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't get these posts saying "Debian is basically Ubuntu"..? It's the other way around, Ubuntu is literally built from Debian, with Debian itself being the second oldest linux distribution. I had nothing but problems with Ubuntu, but everything has been rock-solid since I moved all my machines to Debian about 15 years ago.

If you want bleeding-edge crap that's going to break, choose Ubuntu. If you want a machine that always just works and doesn't ignore your preferences, choose Debian. Yes I have strong opinions on the subject, I have servers that sometimes run for a year between reboots and I don't put up with crap like security updates completely breaking all networking on all my machines in the middle of the night.

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can use testing (or sid, if you feel lucky) to get newer packages. I have been using testing for a year and I feel great.

[–] what@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One downside of testing is that it isn't monitored by the Debian security team. Combined with the fact that updates are delayed compared to unstable, it can take many weeks to get important security updates.

[–] PlasmaK@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

If you are not setting up a server I don't think it matter that much.

[–] code@lemmy.mayes.io 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hows the latest debian for gaming? Im thinking of switching but need my steam to just work

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

As a longtime Debian user, I would look elsewhere for gaming.

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pop!_OS has entered the chat.

[–] code@lemmy.mayes.io 3 points 1 year ago

yea going to have to give pop a try. the bad thing is getting all my shit moved over. Ive been on ubuntu for the last 7 years

[–] elderflower@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Works really well with Flatpak Steam

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Afraid I couldn't tell you, I've never been a gamer.

[–] ILurkAndIKnowThings@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

As a longtime Debian user, Steam can work really well on Debian, but rarely there are some things that fall between the cracks when some packages get updated. There's also a bit of latest-and-greatest envy because Debian (even testing) is a little bit behind. If you're only using your computer for Steam, look elsewhere. If you want a mostly reliable desktop computer and are okay with occasional hiccups, Debian is pretty awesome. Honestly, any computer you use will run into some issues eventually. If you get familiar with the Debian way of doing things, you're gonna have a good time!