Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
Rules
Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people
Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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- No low effort comments
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Do not call other submitters' personal experiences into question.
No bigotry
Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.
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Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.
Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
Related Communities
!feminism@beehaw.org
!askmen@lemmy.world
!mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world
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It took a long time to get to the thesis. Its true, there was not much added to the over all conversation, which made it hard to form a response. And it feels like she is demonstrating there is a problem and attacking a possible solution, without having one thats better. Sure if all of society was different we could solve the issue, but the question is how. Men and women are treated differently and those who do not conform differently still. Positive role models that epitomize traditional male goals and standards are not bad as long as it comes with understanding for those who do not walk the same path.
My progress was saved from when I last tried watching the video last year. I stopped at the men's retreat; you're right it was punching down.
Their focus on media figures is all wrong, men aren't looking for the liberal version Andrew Tate. Men are looking for companionship to combat loneliness and are willing tolerate bullshit like Tate to find it.
That men's retreat looks exactly like that.
I think the issue is when that companionship is centered around explicitly engaging in masculine aesthetics. Particularly as most mens ability to find companionship is already very much centered around their ability or willingness to perform that masculine role.
I agree, but companionship isn't happening around anything.
It isn't just men either, all trust in relationships between people or institutions has declined and shows no recovery.