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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 69 points 9 months ago (6 children)

After WW2 almost every other developed nation was in ruin. The US was "the only game in town" when it came to production. This caused US labor to be in high demand and priced at a premium compared to places like in Europe or Japan, who were more concerned about rebuilding than exporting goods.

THIS is how a high school dropout could afford a house and a family. Because that high school dropout was basically your only option for labor. As those other countries finished rebuilding a lot manufacturing jobs left and things started to get "back to normal".

The US was in a unique position but like most things it was just squandered. Now the US is "regressing towards the mean". This is going to be the new normal because the last 40-50 years was an exception.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 52 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Europe was reduced to rubble, but my grandfathers, who were children during the war and after, both still managed to build a house, raise two kids each and set money aside; one of my grandmothers worked as a seamstress and those grandparents not only built houses for themselves and each kid, but essentially owned a whole block in our village. The other grandfather was the son of an orphan, still managed to do well.

I had to take a job that requires great effort, stress and skill and keeps me away from home 40% of the time, it pays well but still I couldn't dream to be able to do the same as they did.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

That's true to a point. However bigger effects were the rise in executive compensation, the loss of labor and corporate regulations, and the resurgence of the shipping industry such that it was cheaper to ship from China than to make it in the US. It's true that demand for US manufactured goods has fallen, but there's no reason our current Service economy should struggle like it is.

[–] Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

enlightened bit of context here.

correct me if i’m wrong, but these are the colloquial “golden days” that so many want to return to, right? a period which undoubtedly contributed to the presumption of american exceptionalism in the minds of its citizens.

if only there was a way to build a future out of transparency and sustainable systems instead of perpetuating our collective delusions.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

I think attributing the "good years" just to post war production is an incomplete explanation. The real issue is irresponsible private ownership and hobbling the value our economy can create.

Creating true value in our work is possible. Once some types of work are done the output can continue to benefit our society for decades. But a confluence of decisions by private owners have meant often we don't receive that benefit, and instead it's siphoned away as profit.

[–] DrQuickbeam@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I moved from the US to Italy, where everything is cheaper and better quality, and we get free healthcare, free college, retirement pension and six months paid maternity leave. All this on a 35% tax rate. Public daycare is about $300 a month, housing expenses are about half of what I paid in the US, and while groceries are about the same, they are all local, organic, non GMO and -get this - crops are grown for flavor rather than weight. Houses are smaller here and wages are usually lower, but working hours are less and less intense, and the pace of life is much chiller.

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Oh wow non GMO groceries what a magical fairy tale land.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Thankfully we don't live in the US then, but these same dark times are washing over us in Europe too :-(