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You're right, what HAS the Trudeau government done about something it has nothing to do with?!?
AND WHY HAVEN'T THEY DONE IT YET?!?
Look into dairy controls and egg quotas. Shit we even had the Canadian Wheat Board until 2015. Price controls in Canada have been in place for decades.
Government doesn't gouge you for profits; Loblaws, Metro, Empire, and other for-profit grocery companies do. Hell, the Loblaws/Weston cartel secretly fixed high prices for bread for years, gouging consumers to line their pockets.
Unless you're suggesting that the entire food production chain and grocery stores are nationalized, there's pretty much sweet fuck all the government CAN do. If you're going to throw blame around, at least educate yourself about what causes inflation first and blame the right people. Otherwise it's just a shrill straw man argument.
Uh how about they break up the dairy and egg cartels and abolish quotas so there can be some real fucking competition.
You literally listed dairy quotas in your comment as if it's a good thing. It's anti competitive, plain and simple, and guess who has the jurisdiction to deal with anti competitive business practices on a national scale.
Oh, totally it's anti-competitive, and I don't disagree with you, but we were talking anti-inflationary / price stability measures. It's not a good solution (we regularly pay more for milk and eggs), but it does keep the price from jumping around, and for-profit companies from price gouging.
How TF does a cartel that regulates production and dictates prices keep those companies from gouging?
They literally control the entire industry, there's no customer protections at all.
Unfortunately that statement demonstrates a functional misunderstanding of how supply management operates.
Farmers / quota pools are mandated by these government regulations to have supply marginally exceed expected consumer demand specifically to address common issues with any commodity sector such as price gouging (to protect consumers), and predatory pricing (to protect producers).
https://bcegg.com/our-story/supply-management/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/adv/article-matching-demand-and-made-in-canada-eggs-with-supply-management/
Conservatives would be even less likely to abolish the quotas. Their main voters are farmers, which benefit the most without having to compete as much.
Do that and we'll instead have to subsidize the industry like it's done elsewhere. We'll also see the rise of even bigger producers that will buy smaller producers and a huge increase in the waste of dairy products and eggs. Prices would start fluctuating a lot more instead of being fairly stable compared to most things found in groceries.
Stop blaming the government (especially the federal one as it has less power over things that affect the population directly) and start looking at the profits made by grocery stores, that's where you'll find your money.
Corporations serve society, not visa versa. If lighter measures do not work, nationalize 'em all. (Many lighter measures have not yet been tried.)
PP would be worse, though.
In my experience corporations serve their shareholders (and maybe board and executive s).
Their point is that it's the corporations job to serve society, not the contrary, and if they don't do their job (like you said) they should be nationalized.
We might live better if this were true (maybe not), but it is not at all their job. Neither is it our job to serve them.
If it's not their job to help society then why should we let them exist?
I agree that in the best interests of having a pleasant place to live, or elected officials should force them to sell at not so great a profit. I feel like "they shouldn't be allowed to exist" is a poor way to put it.
People who don't help society end up in prison and corporations aren't people.
untrue, many examples first one that comes to mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family
Go and kill someone and get caught, tell me how that goes for ya 🙂
Also, you're in a Canadian community here.
besides the example i gave actually harming people, and them not being in prison, to go from "people who don't help society" to murder is kind of a stretch isn't it?
you realize it's possible to neither help nor harm society.
i am canadian, are we limited to examples only of canadian's who harm societies, C suite of loblaws isn't in jail are they?
Commit fraud then
And yes the country matters. Ever heard of... Laws?