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I thought the same thing when Voat started as a mirror to Reddit. It was similar for a while but every time a troll or Nazi was ejected from Reddit they migrated to Voat. Eventually I was one of the last liberals there. Is there anyone maintaining order here or will it be the wild west ?
I think the lemmy structure really annoys trolls and right-wingers. They could register on a server, but they would have to play by the rules (be nice, don't be a nazi etc), which they really don't want. So they want their own server, but quickly realize that they'll be alone there with their miserable peers, which they also don't like.
Dangit yer violatin' mah freeze peeches by not making people listen to me!!!!
yup, that's exactly how they feel. They're like hurt children.
God forbid they have to bake a cake for a gay person though.
I'm new to this federated thing, what prevents the nazi from hosting his own Lemmy instance where being a nazi is ok, and the content from the nazi instance showing up in "all"?
Nothing. This server existed, it was called wolfballs.com. lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, feddit.de and many others had this server blocked. So nothing was showing up from them.
That's the beauty of the fediverse - your server has disgusting content, you get deplatformed/defederated.
not everybody likes this ;)
What disgusting content do people want here, and why should we care?
oh sorry I meant right-wingers don't like it. I meant to be funny, but apparently failed...
Gotcha. Sorry, I'm just used to right-wingers inserting vile comments into Reddit threads so my humor meter may be miscalibrated.
I can't be the only one half expecting some maximum rage comment reply to appear at any given moment.
I'm really looking forward to see how this community feels over time, without the ad-driven rage-promoting algorithms. Hopeful.
No you're right, this will probably happen here one day too. Big instance will have problems with moderation I fear.
No fun being a bully when it's nothing but other bullies around I guess.
You can check the modlog, but we admins are pretty active, and developed our list of rules over a long period of trial and error, and staunchly enforce them, with temp or permabans. You can check them on the site main page, but we do not allow hate-speech trolls, or people who make everyone's experience unpleasant. We're much stricter than reddit in that regard, who have an extremely "libertarian" / lax policy about hate speech, letting communities like stormfront operate there for years.
Overall we want this to be a welcoming, pleasant, and healthy environment.
Use the report button if you see anyone breaking the rules, and we'll get to it as quickly as we can.
lemmy.ml, beehaw.org and feddit.de have in the last years proven to have pretty good moderation. Far-right people have been banned if they tried to set up shop here. There was a right-wing/nazi server called wolfballs.com for a year or so, they of course were blocked by all 3 servers and they never really took off. In the end their admin decided it wasn't worth it.
I'm with you - I was on Voat back when it was still Whoaverse. I bailed pretty early once I saw the direction it was heading in.
That said - the nice thing about the Fediverse is that there are multiple communities, with different moderation styles. Lemmy has a sizable communist community, for example, but you don't have to associate with them. In fact, some of the larger Lemmy instances (like Beehaw) don't even federate with them; you have to go out of your way to subscribe to them if your home instance is Beehaw.
So if what you're saying comes to pass, and the Alt-Right comes to Lemmy (I don't think they will, but let's imagine) - you can easily pack up shop and migrate to another Lemmy instance that has a better moderation style, or one that won't federate with those instances. It's just like Mastodon in that respect.
We've had histories of right-wing trolls trying to set up shop here. They last about 5 minutes.
Ironically (ironically only in the sense that Lemmygrad are leftist authoritarians I believe) Lemmy kind of embraces the philosophical underpinnings of leftist anarchist thought. I'm not well-read or anything but that's just my impression.
Voluntary decentralized communities who can voluntarily associate with each other? People act like dicks? There's no way to enforce authority beyond exile. Exile instead of capital punishment is hard to do in real life because land is a thing that exists... but in the digital world of federated communities, it's literally the only thing to do! And if you don't like a certain instance you can just leave and find one that suits you better or create your own. Freedom of movement with stability dictated by the social contract and exile of those who are not adhering to the social contract.
Honestly it really does seem pretty in line with general anarchist thought to me. And I think it will really help create a better internet in this age of media consolidation, profit-seeling, and extremism. I'm just reminded of the people begging for certain reddit subs to get banned and it not happening because the traffic was too lucrative. Now people can just exile each other in a decentralized way, no begging the admins required. I mean yeah on a smaller scale sure... But now the power to enforce the social contract is in the hands of way more people instead of just a few people per million users. Quarantining extremists will help stop the rage machine from spreading hate. I think it's truly it's hilarious that authoritarians over on Lemmygrad got defederated and thwarted by anarchist methods. In real life... Well, that's what the tanks were for.
"here" is relative in the Fediverse.
Here? sure, but there will be right-wing Lemmy instances. It's almost a rule of existence at this point.
I don't totally understand the fediverse yet. So an instance is basically just a portion of a website on a certain server, right? And all the instances communicate with each other to create one website?
Instance is a server which is what is hosted on lemmy, beehaw, perthchat etc. When you register, you create an account on that server only.
Lemmy is the application that runs on these servers. Other examples of applications that could run instead are Mastodon, Friendica.
The Fediverse is the interconnected network of many servers and instances. You can post on a server that you aren't registered on, as long as they are connected (federated). If you consider all Lemmy sites that interconnect (e.g. Feddit, Lemmy, Perthchat, Beehaw) together as one "website" (a more accurate term would be social network), then from that perspective yes each server acts a portion of that "website".
The fun part is that Mastodon users and users of other Fediverse applications are also compatible, though there are some variations in terminology and methods that are suited for the applications use-case (tooting, crossposting, hashtags, etc.)
shudders and starts screaming internally
Though I suppose it is the most accurate term.
If you mean lemmy as the name of the website then yes. All these instances(or servers) create the whole network which lemmy is trying to build. For example you signed up with lemmy.ml, an instance that was created and run by the lemmy devs. This instance has communities(like subreddits) where people can post things. You can sub to these communities and they'll appear in your feed. But other instances like beehaw also have their own communities where people can post, and you can subscribe to those communities too(using your acc here on lemmy.ml, without signing up on beehaw)
lemmy and beehaw have their own list of members and their own admins with their own rules of whats acceptable and not.
When you become more comfortable you'll realize lemmy can also interact with other fediverse software( or websites) like mastodon but for now this is more than enough.
From a user's point of view it's just like email, you create your account on one server, you login with any app that supports that standard, you can interact with people from any other server, yet each server has a different owner and has it's own address.
it's like e-mail group but on steroids. Everyone can open his account where he likes. (E-Mail-Provider ~ Instance-Provider) but we can all communicate see each others posts interact in various ways and even get kinda different interfaces like Lemmy, Mastodon, Friendica, and many more.
This is what I worry about, too. It's really the same story with pretty much any fediverse space I've joined. I come looking to get away from corporate fascists only to find the bigot individuals too fascist for the corporate spaces come there too when they get kicked off