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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Because it was. It was a great wedge to capture religious types and people who were vaguely "in favor of not killing babies" but didn't comprehend the reality of abortion bans. Now that they actually killed roe and we're seeing the devastating impact, they can't tout it as a success. And since roe is already dead, they can't use it as a wedge to activate voters. So it goes away.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 9 months ago

Worst thing that can happen to conservatives is achieving their stated objectives. Not only do people realize how terrible it is, but they also have to go find another issue to scare people about.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Be careful about this attitude. I personally haven't been affected by the abortion ban, so to call it a 'devastating impact' is a bit of a bridge too far. I do understand that it's devastating for many, but especially those who really want zero abortion they see it as a wild sucess and are fearful that if those 'devil worshiping democrats' get back into office, that they'll undo all those years of their hard work. They are still using it as a wedge issue.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're joking, but if a 10 year old having to cross state lines for an abortion, then the first state going after the doctor in the second state with legal action isn't a bridge too far but my language is, you might live in a bubble.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The point is that the average Joe isn’t a 10 year old pregnant girl. Of course it’s horrible, but a large majority of people aren’t seeing (paying attention) to that. They haven’t and won’t feel the consequences for many years. They see this as hyperbole.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

And the tiniest percentage of abortions are late term abortions, performed unexpectedly to save a live or prevent suffering. And yet THAT'S all Republicans talk about. Bans cause more harm than they prevent by a significant margin, but since the average republican isn't a raped child they don't care? Is that supposed to make me more charitable towards them??

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m not asking for charity towards Republicans. You’re not changing the extremes of either party.

Using terms such as “devastating impact” when the average Joe Republican hasn’t felt ANY impact isn’t going to win votes, but rather make them think that the Republican side who simply is letting it slide is more reasonable, whether it’s true or not.

My parents voted for Trump twice. They’re anti-abortion and they’re HAPPY about the abortion bans. Again… HAPPY. Sure they, along with the majority of Right-Leaning folks would agree that a 10 year old shouldn’t have to have a baby, but they contrast it against all the arguments of “not killing the unborn” and see it as an overall win. Calling out individual horror stories is a good tactic, but you’re not winning any votes away from Trump and the Republicans by “yelling” at them about a “devastating impact”.

It’s the same thing with a LOT of issues. I live in the middle of the country so sea rise doesn’t affect me, right? People have their heads stuck in the sand and if something doesn’t affect them personally, it turns them off of your cause to speak in extremes. Global Warming hasn’t killed anyone they personally know, so calling it extreme isn’t going to ring true for them. The fact that we have had the warmest year on record, the most storms, the biggest swings in temperature, those are all FACTS, (just lil a 10 year old having to have an abortion) that DOES affect them and WILL help them to understand.

Again, you’re not going t change the extremes, but we need to fight for the people that might just be willing to stay home On Election Day or just skip the President box… I’m working on my parents constantly, but it HAS to be a slow burn or they’ll just shut down and ignore all the facts.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

So yeah republicans don't care until they're personally affected, that's not new. The impact isn't any less devastating simply because people are too ignorant to understand it.

we need to fight for the people that might just be willing to stay home On Election Day

That's my point from the first comment I made. Republican candidates are removing abortion from their sites because there's been a significant swing in voter support, mainly among women. They were already running slim margins in many areas, and lately they've been slaughtered in elections, polls, and referendums.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee -2 points 9 months ago

Yeah it's a typical "made up issue" in order to distract from the politics that is actually important to peoples lives. And both parties are playing that game.

I haven't read the whole article but I can guarantee that mainstream media is also not talking about the actual mechanisms at play here. They are "in on it". They are taking it at face value that the GOP is actually serious, and thus are helping distract from real issues. Because they are owned by the same people that this benefit from this distraction. And this emotionally charged topic is helping them to sell advertisement.

Now that it's actually impacting people horribly it's the same for democrats: They could have passed a federal abortion right law, but it's actually beneficial for them to drag it out. They could have stacked the supreme court but that is not in the interest of their masters.

And that way papers like the independent are still contributing to propaganda.