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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This article is a shining example of how sleazy it is, since nowhere in it does it say that Joe is the big guy

In that instance Gillar is specifically discussing Joe and calls him the big guy.

Whether he calls lots of people "Big guy" or just Joe is a different matter.

For all we know, “10% for the big guy” means they are tithing and the big guy is literally God.

Ha hahah. I doubt even God trusts Hunter with his share. Why would he be in charge of it.

It makes just as much sense

No. No it doesn't.

Why the fuck would Giuliani modify his copy (and then assumedly forward it off to friendly media groups)?

Because he's a sneaky idiot. This doesn't invalidate the emails that were sent.

But you’re totally okay with the presidents personal lawyer altering documents to provide to media, as long as it makes his political opponents look bad.

No. I make no defense of any Republicans or their actions.

GOP can’t find enough dirty shit about a career politician

Well, they found one 10% email. If that is explained (and the FBI bias) then it becomes a nothingburger.

so they start making up a story about his kid.

This is where we came in. The email wasn't made up. The FBI misleading social media wasn’t made up. The lack of explanation for the big guy is not made up.

They had two options, release information about an ongoing investigation, or…don’t.

Except there was no ongoing Russian Propaganda investigation. Hunter's laptop has nothing to do with Russia and they had access to it for 9 months.

The FBI had absolutely nothing to gain by keeping their mouth shut.

They could imply that the laptop was fake and the fault of the Russians.

They really had nothing to share except the existence of a laptop (just that a laptop literally, physically exists).

They could say there was no Russian involvement.

They had nothing except a broken MacBook and a copy of its hard drive. That sat on a shelf for 8 months before the FBI picked it up.

So why the Russian Propaganda warnings?

For that matter, what happened to the original?

I don't really care. The 10% email is the only item relevant to Joe and copies of that exist independently of the laptop.

In this particular case, months after the fact, Jim Jordan is bringing this back up again.

If this was investigated 4 years ago then it wouldn't have survived until this election season.

Of course you never got to the bottom of it, you kept on moving where the bottom is.

For Joe, the bottom is simple and hasn't changed since day 1.

  • Who is the big guy that Hunter was being paid on behalf of?

  • What was the big guy being paid 10% for?

The voters are still awaiting an explanation.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You just don’t get it, do you?

How, exactly, should Joe Biden prove he wasn’t involved, in something he wasn’t involved in?

Thats why the onus is on the accusers to prove it. Thats why we have a justice system that works on the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

And all they have is an email that refers to “the big guy”, and everyone baselessly assumes that it’s Joe because it fits their agenda. Maybe H is heroin and the big guy is their supplier. Maybe H is Hillary Clinton and the big guy is Bill. Maybe H is Halliburton and the big-guy is Dick Cheney. Maybe it refers to a portion of the project that is classified, and legally it cannot be revealed who “the big guy” is. Maybe she’s born with it. Maybe it’s Maybelline.

The point is, you’ve managed to take one cryptic sentence, sent by someone other than a Biden, completely out of context, and spun it as a conspiracy against a Biden that we are still arguing about 5 years later. Bravo.

And now, the only thing that would satisfy you is to prove a negative.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How, exactly, should Joe Biden prove he wasn’t involved, in something he wasn’t involved in?

By getting his son to explain who the big guy was and what he was supposed to do for 10% of the deal.

Thats why the onus is on the accusers to prove it. Thats why we have a justice system that works on the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

This is the court of public opinion, not law. Joe will be guilty of corruption in many voters minds. Granted someone is not going to vote for Trump because they think Biden is corrupt, but it does eat away at trust in the Democrats.

And all they have is an email that refers to “the big guy”, and everyone baselessly assumes that it’s Joe because it fits their agenda.

Not baseless. But we've covered that.

Maybe H is heroin

Maybe H is Hillary Clinton

Maybe H is Halliburton

Maybe Gillar should say who H is (Hunter obviously), who the big guy is and what they did. That would let Joe off the hook. That's the only solution to the speculation.

The point is, you’ve managed to take one cryptic sentence, sent by someone other than a Biden, completely out of context, and spun it as a conspiracy against a Biden that we are still arguing about 5 years later. Bravo.

The point is that it still hasn't been addressed 5 years later, and the FBI mislead everyone into calling it Russian Propaganda.

And now, the only thing that would satisfy you is to prove a negative.

Nope. Just a reasonable explanation from the business group and a full FBI investigation.