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People keep talking about "Federalizing the National Guard" and now you've got other States pledging their NG to Texas in defiance of the Supreme Court (see image).

So is this what CW2 looks like?

P.S. I'm a Brit

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[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 months ago (16 children)

Serious question. Couldn't Texas just hold a referendum to scede?

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Abraham Lincoln thought they could not. In his inaugural address, he opined that the union was formed for perpetuity and that if the accession of a state to the union required the consent of all other states, so would its secession. He was, among other things, a lawyer so he usually knew what he was talking about.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

Serious question. Couldn’t Texas just hold a referendum to scede?

Abraham Lincoln thought they could not.

I have a vague memory of Texas having a unique status, versus the other States, when it comes to succeeding from the Union.

That there is some kind of (state?) constitutional clause that would actually allow them to succeed if they wanted to.

Has something to do with the fact that they were their own country for a very small period of time, before joining the Union.

Can't remember any details though, was something I read a long time ago; apologies.

[–] ThatGirlKylie@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Even if they voted for it and ratified it they couldn’t over turn it or legally secede from the USA.

In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were “absolutely null.”

When Texas entered the Union, “she entered into an indissoluble relation,” Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase wrote for the court. “All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States.”

Chase added: “The ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law.”

Another source of confusion and misinformation over the years has been language in the 1845 annexation resolution that Texas could, in the future, choose to divide itself into “New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas.” But the language of the resolution says merely Texas could be split into five new states. It says nothing of splitting apart from the United States. Only Congress has the power to admit new states to the Union, which last occurred in 1959 with the admission of Alaska and Hawaii.

[–] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is a fantastic write-up.

I got downvoted elsewhere for saying this, but let me ask - if they just ...went rogue and reeeeeeally started stirring shit up - like setting blockades on highways, rail stations, and ports, stopped exports - like really tried to cause the US economic trouble - attacking federal buildings etc.

What's any legal precedent matter? Aside from justification for getting totally railed by the US military.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Good write-up. Thanks for sharing.

[–] ThatGirlKylie@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Now that’s not to say if it was challenged again in today’s Supreme Court that they wouldn’t overturn that like they did with Roe v Wade. But as far as I can tell they legally can’t right now.

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