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[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I dont support the death penalty in any way (well, maybe guillotine)

Its the vengeful right wing christofascists that love it. Unfortunately, they are overrepresented in our governments.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Guillotine is almost certainly worse than hypoxia; having nerves severed is agonizing. Having almost all of them severed would be insanely painful.

That said, what if we just didn't kill people. That would be cool.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think they more mean the removal of corruption, not necessarily literally beheadings.

At least I hope if they're going to call the death penalty bad in principle. IMO, it's good in principle, but completely untennable in practice in such an insanely flawed system working with just as flawed laws. I'm not sure a defensible system could exist. Not with modern humans.

The irony of being too bad to properly purge the bad...

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If the nerves connected to the brain are severed, how can someone even know they're in pain? (Also, they die immediately.)

FYI, they were making a joke about complacent, exploitative rich people, e.g. the French Revolution.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Immediately" is 4-10 seconds.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the sudden blood pressure going to zero would probably end conscious awareness fairly quick

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"fairly quick" is 4 to 10 seconds.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I bet you could recite the whole alphabet in that amount of time

[–] Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not without vocal cords you’re not.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

They wouldn't know it if you did damage to the body after that time. They absolutely would know that the severed end of the spinal cord that remained connected to the brainwas sending very loud pain signals for the brief time they remained conscious.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

Idk, i think France had the right idea before Robespierre took over

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Front accounts of when the guillotine was used often and publicly, there was seemingly voluntary movement for up to two minutes. Imagine the hell that is searing pain from nerves cut and exposed to air while you black out screaming silent and breathless.

Dropping a 2 ton weight made of tungsten onto someone's head is about as instant and painless as possible. We can kill better, we have had the technology.

[–] Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

Dropping a 2 ton weight made of tungsten onto someone's head is about as instant and painless as possible. We can kill better, we have had the technology.

Are we talking about the mashinator?