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"Possession of under a gram of heroin, for example, is only subject to a ticket and a maximum fine of $100.
Those caught with small amounts can have the citation dismissed by calling a 24-hour hotline to complete an addiction screening within 45 days, but those who don’t do a screening are not penalized for failing to pay the fine."
As was heavily pointed out at the time, there is no downside to ignoring all of it, so it turns out the vast majority of people ignore all of it and do what they want. The proponents live in a fantasy world where everybody wants to get clean. All of them ignore that their poster child Portugal still has penalties, just not criminal charges; jail is not the only stick (although Portugul also has a growing drug and program funding problem).
How do you get clean in a for-profit healthcare system when you're a poor junkie?
Did you... not read the article? Oregon is sitting on a shit ton of money for treatment.
Yeah that's the problem. They're sitting on that money instead of distributing it like they were supposed to meaning people aren't getting treatment. This new bill is just more of the same and allows them to continue sitting on that money while pretending like they're doing something about the issue.
Doing drugs in public was not decriminalized but police aren't doing their job so that they can make the problem worse and get what they want.
To a point, but as mentioned in the article if only ten people are calling a month, it also does not sound like there is that much demand from the people who need it. People want simple solutions but they don't come simply.
What point is there in calling a hotline that'll tell you there's no treatment options available? This shit is straight out of the Republican playbook, starve services to make them ineffectual, and then point to that ineffectiveness as a reason to change laws to what they want. The only difference here is that it's Democratic legislators doing it. It's just scumbags all the way down regardless of the party they represent.
Fines like this are just taxes for the poor.
I'm poor and I'm an (ex)addict. If a fine like that came with penalties, I wouldn't do drugs in public... Because I wouldn't want to pay the fine. Poor people aren't stupid and most of us aren't in the habit of throwing away money..
A penalty that has a significant impact on the poor while being the cost of having fun for the rich is just saying the behavior is only acceptable if you can afford it.
Believe me, I understand. It should be tied to wealth.. Which will never happen. $100 is much better than thousands and/or prison time. Drugs being decriminalized, and with such a low penalty, would hopefully encourage cops to be lenient in writing those tickets. Ideally, tickets would only be issued when people are literally shooting/lighting up in public. Most people know better than to do that.
Rich people don’t leave giant shits and dirty needles outside of my apartment
Yeah I wonder why... I guess we'll never know
Absolutely false. I live in a fantasy world where my leaders are required to watch Demolition Man on repeat until they understand that people have the inalienable right to choose to make themselves miserable. That's why we also allow casinos.
Unless you're native you're gonna have a hard time opening a casino in Oregon.
People should absolutely be able to make themselves miserable however they want, and if they limited it to making themselves miserable that'd be fine and dandy. Let me know when Portland public transit stops testing positive for fentanyl and meth. So far no casino nor old lady at the slots has stolen my catalytic converter.
The goals are great, the legislation was poorly thought shit based on aspirational thinking that had predictable results. Criminalizing simple possession isn't the solution either but we live in a ridiculously black and white society where that's all they can think of.
But do the leaders know how to use the three seashells?
Oregons problem is money mismanagement
There needs to be a complete paradigm shift. Lots of people in this thread can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept of "decriminalization." That's why people aren't being penalized. Because it's no longer illegal to possess. It's really that simple.
Decriminalization and legalization are not the same thing. Possession is still illegal, but there are not criminal penalties, that is why it has a citation and ostensibly a fine. Oregon has legalized marijuana, but not the rest.
I think there can be confusion because a violation and a crime are not the same thing, legally, even though they are both against the law. A violation does not include jail time, but usually does include other penalties. A traffic infraction is a very common example of a violation. You don't go to jail for running a red light despite it being illegal.