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What do you think of antinatalism? (feddit.de)

submitted 2 years ago by sexy_peach@feddit.de to c/politics@beehaw.org

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

I think it's stupid and worrying that their ideas are gaining traction.

I am not opposed to people not having children or representing themselves as a block, but the idea that having kids is bad is just plain dumb.

My own experience in life makes it reek a lot like mental health issues in those who are antinatalists.

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[–] rayzor@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think it's a flawed premise based on my limited understanding of what I have read

Life entails inevitable suffering.
Death is inevitable.
Humans (and all forms of life) are born without their consent, no one chooses whether or not they come into existence.
Although some people may turn out to be happy, this is not guaranteed, so to procreate is to gamble with another person's suffering without their consent.
Therefore it is immoral to create life.

The problem that I have with this is it also is making the choice for the potential life. If you ask anybody at end of life if they were glad they existed or the life they had, and if given the choice to have existed or existing again under the same conditions of their current life, they would choose to have existed/exist the same. Therefore, I think it is just as immoral to take the potential away.

Existence is also a choice. If at any point you no longer consent to existing, there exists a mechanism for accomplishing that. It is not accepted by society (we are making progress in some areas such as assisted suicide for terminal illness) but it doesn't mean you are bound to abide by those 'rules'.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that this kind of philosophy leads to very weird conclusions, that's why I abstain from it.

[–] rayzor@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not certain which side you are falling on? Anti-Natalism leads to weird conclusions, or my thinking leads to weird conclusions?

The reality is that they BOTH do, so that shouldn't be used as a basis for making that decision.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Although some people may turn out to be happy, this is not guaranteed, so to procreate is to gamble with another person’s suffering without their consent.

Therefore it is immoral to create life.

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