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It's highly unlikely Israel made it happen...
But I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Dick Cheney thing like 9/11 where they knew it was gonna happen, and did a cost/benefit analysis and decided it was better if it happened.
Netanyahu was letting literal suitcases of cash into Gaza so Hamas could continue to exist, it's not much of a jump for them to ignore intelligence.
If they honestly didn't see this coming, then they still need to replace their government. Best case scenario they're incompetent
I mean, Bibi was allowing Qatar to fund Hamas, and even supplied briefcases full of cash to the Qatar diplomat to give to Hamas
At the urging of the international community and for humanitarian purposes.
My idle conspiracy theory is that Trump and his son-in-law sold a bunch of Israel's sensitive defense info to MBS, where it somehow made it into the hands of Hamas. Hamas had some rather detailed intel on Israeli positions at the border and I wonder how they got it. Trump probably never intended for the massacre to happen, he just wanted to earn a quick buck.
I have no proof that Trump sold this, but we know how lax he was with this info, particularly concerning Israel. Heck, he might not have even sold it, all it would take is a few well-placed operatives at Mar-a-lago to take photos of the documents Trump had at his dinner table. That would have made it all even more tragic, because it would mean that Trump sold out Israel just to brag to his friends. Would that be better or worse than getting money for it?
One of the reasons for the Hamas attack was Saudi moving to recognize israel and abandoning Palestine. Also Saudi is currently actively helping the israelis bypass the shipping blockade by transporting goods by truck from the port of UAE to israel through a company called TruckNet.
The Saudi's don't care about Palestine whatsoever. They just want to stack money, build clubs and drive fancy cars. They care as much about Palestine as Russians care about Ukranians, even though they often look the same.
The following nearby countries are currently actively helping israel (despite their leaders sometimes screaming differently):
Egypt
Jordan
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Turkey
The following are against:
Lebanon
Qatar
Iran
Yemen
I agree with your analysis. If any information did make it to Hamas from Trump, it likely wasn't directly from MBS in a single step. But it's possible there could have been some Hamas sympathisers somewhere in the Saudi government that sent it along.
Or, as I noted, the same info was available to anyone at Mar-A-Lago. All they had to do was plant someone on the wait staff there and embed a camera somewhere on their person....
Saudi's probably most influential ruler Faisal was assassinated in 1975 by his very Americanized nephew after blocking oil exports to America for the Palestinian cause. Faisal also nationalized the oil industry and refused to bend the knee to the west.
The assasination was most likely a CIA operation though that does still remain in conspiracy land for about 20 years until we get to see the blacked out lines in the documents.
After Faisa's assasinationl more pro-America rulers were installed in Saudi. The current "king" MBS arrested many ministers that didn't fall in line with him when he rose to power.
Throughout his rule MBS did not seem to specifically care for anything else than money. He very much cooperates with America and israel because they are rich, and Palestine is poor. While his population does not agree with this, he buys an insane amount of weapons from America so they can't do much about it.
While a covert operation might have happened, the MBS government itself is unlikely to have acted against israel because as you can see they are actively aiding israel with Trucknet and other initiatives.
The only reason Saudi doesn't help israel more openly is because their population isn't very happy with them supporting a genocidal ethnostate slaughtering Muslims and many of these hypocritical governments are risking a revolution from their population the more openly they support israel.
I mean, don’t America fund the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden back in the 80s since they were fighting against the USSR? Only to have it backfire when the turned against us, realizing they were just pawns in our game as we conducted operations elsewhere to fuck around with the balance of power in the world?
Lot of parallels here.
But I do think Hamas did Oct 7th. They even said they did it. However, I still think “yeah, what did Israel think was going to happen?” and “it doesn’t justify genocide” just like 9/11 didn’t justify leveling Afghanistan for 20 years.
That was different....
America funded them to fight America's enemies in a proxy war.
Netanyahu assisted other countries funding Hamas, when Hamas was trying to fight Israel. Because the threat of Hamas kept far right authoritarians in power in Israel.
They're completely different situations...
My question is how many deaths were actually caused by Hamas when their goal was to capture living hostages. With the knowledge that tanks shelled civilian hostages to kill Hamas fighters it seems plausible that Israel could be responsible for many or most of the deaths.
We'll never know unless there's an independent UN investigation into Oct 7th
Hamas did a lot of killing on October 7th. It's not like it wasn't filmed...by multiple people including themselves
Certainly. But looking at the footage and pictures almost all Hamas fighters had AK's, they certainly did not bring a million RPG's
My current assumption is that every person with bullet wound or heavy grenade explosion was shot by killed by Hamas.
But most of those bodies completely burnt to a crisp were likely shot with IDF tank shots or hellfire missiles from the helicopters.
There is a reason that there were 250 Hamas soldiers burnt to a crisp that were initially counted as israeli deaths because they were next to hostages. Those Hamas fighters certainly didn't all spontaneously combust and likely neither did the hostages next to them.
They certainly killed people, but now we know Israel also killed their own people. I want to see the breakdown.
I would imagine many but not most were killed by the IDF. Then again, they are the ones with tanks and helicopters.