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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday rejected conditions presented by Hamas to end the war and release hostages that would include Israel's complete withdrawal and leaving Hamas in power in Gaza.

As Israeli planes resumed bombing Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters the Israeli leader's refusal to end the military offensive in Gaza "means there is no chance for the return of the (Israeli) captives."

"In exchange for the release of our hostages, Hamas demands the end of the war, the withdrawal of our forces from Gaza, the release of all the murderers and rapists," Netanyahu said in a statement. "And leaving Hamas intact."

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[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think it should be clear that I am in no way supporting Hamas, your argument is essentially saying ‘Hamas bad, you can’t come to compromise with them’, I am saying that Hamas are powerless next to Israel, what happened on Oct. 7 was just a freak accident, and the chance of it happening tends to zero, once deal with the people who are affected, and then deal with all the madlads

Agreeing to this preposterous proposal from Hamas would achieve absolutely nothing beneficial to the Israeli nor Palestinian people

I can’t fathom how ignorant this statement is, what is ‘preposterous’ about this? Israel has been illegally detaining Palestinians for 75 years, these are real people who had kids, husbands, wives, similarly Hamas detained some people and are asking for a deal where Hamas releases Israeli citizens and Israel releases Palestinians, this would be tremendously ‘beneficial’ for both sides, people can reunite with their loved ones, and escape the torture inflicted upon them by Israel (and probably Hamas as well) (Taking hostages is not good, I should clarify this, but not agreeing to a swap after hostages have been taken is even worse)

There is no reducing tensions with a group that has repeatedly vowed to wipe out Israel and every Jew in the world while at the same time stating that they wish for more Palestinians civilians, men, women and children, to spill their blood for the cause.

Also there should be no reducing tensions with a group that has illegally detained people, committing a genocide, and vowed to wipe to every Palestinian, while killing their own civilians for their own political gain as well

The best case scenario is Netanyahu is hanged, Hamas leaders are arrested and whatever the court decides to do with them, a two state solution, and heavy military on the border of the two states.

Security measures do not mean illegally killing innocent civilians, conquering land and torturing innocent people

Anyone who calls themselves ‘left-leaning’, hates hamas, but cheers Israel, is not ‘left leaning’ they are a hypocrite, “You are either against fascism of all forms, or you are a hypocrite, you condemn a terrorist organization, and terrorism done by a government”

Israel is not any sort of ‘hero’, it’s a black mark on every jew, they portray themselves as the pope of jews, but are committing the most heinous crimes, against international laws, against the Geneva conventions, and they justify it with the phrase ‘My ancestors were a victim of the holocaust’, any person who doesn’t fully consider the situation will definitely see this as the principles of Judaism, Israel is a big reason for the rising Anti-semtism

The fact that the October 7 massacres inspired waves of antisemitic violence across the globe only further confirms to the Jewish people just how important having a Jewish homeland is, the only place in the world where a Jew doesn't have to think twice before wearing a kippah.

This is not the 1500’s, you can’t just declare war and conquer some land, is your solution to rising antisemitism is to get every jew the nationality of Israel?

What about the rise of Islamophobia in the world? You have to think twice before wearing a hijab in france (and possibly the whole Europe as well in the next few years), how about we make a separate state for every religion, ethnic group and a race? A white state, a black state, a christian state, an LGBT state, a Straight state, a jewish state, a buddhist state etc? We should learn to at-least tolerate other people’s beliefs and choices, not ‘please go somewhere else’

And funnily enough you contradict your whole argument in the last paragraph