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I know this is going to sound like some clickbait bullshit title, but I'm genuinely curious, asking in good faith. My two oldest sons are enamored with him, and he seems like a genuine guy, so I'm asking - is he a nice guy? If you google the question, you get a bunch of reddit hate, which I don't always trust, because...it's reddit. I have not watched much content (not my thing, I'm old) but I'm just curious what the fediverse has to say.

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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

he has made a serious effort towards philanthropic acts

Ehhhh. He engaged in a mix of pity porn and charity-as-self-promotion/criticism shield. Never trust a wealthy person's donations when they have their name attached to them; there's always a reasonable chance that they came with strings. Doubly so when those donations are to charities they actively control.

I can appreciate that he's funnelled his money into things people actually need, instead of into grants so charities can buy supplies from tech companies he's invested in, but it's still PR, not philanthropy.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

it's still PR, not philanthropy

This is it right here.

[–] Eisenhowever@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thats narrow minded, it can be both

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's naive. Leaving the rich in a position to "save" the poor is nothing more than enabling a power fantasy for them. It leaves them with all of the power and control.

[–] Eisenhowever@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You cant force someone to save anyone, its their choice

You seem to truly believe theres no rich person who would give out of the kindness of their heart

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Do you think the people who get the help see it the same way, or is just us privileged folk who feel uneasy?

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Exploiting others for self promotion is always going to cause more overall harm than good.

[–] lamentforicarus@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By that thinking Bill Gates has done nothing but harm, yet he has done leaps and bounds for health research. They're one of the few reasons malaria is even getting research money. He's probably a narcissistic ass, and I'm sure he's partially supporting the foundation for taxes/clout, but he's actually saved the lives of people. If they want to spend their millions and billions on helping people for clout, then go for it. It's better than whatever the fuck Musk is doing.

[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly, it's like Jeff Bezos thinking the best he can do with his money is go to space.

Regardless of the motivation, surely if that money is going to a better cause that will help others that's a good thing

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you publicise your philanthropy to gain my support for your philanthropy, does that magically make you non-philanthropic?

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. Yes it does.

It's not charity then. It's paid advertising.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Charities do a lot of paid advertising.

[–] Treedrake@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, indeed. I'd heavily recommend Thoreau's critique of philantrophy: https://thecuriouspeople.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/thoreau-philanthropy-is-overrated-walden-44/ . While it's written 200 years ago and on a religious foundation, he has a point.

“Philanthropy is almost the only virtue which is sufficiently appreciated by mankind. Nay, it is greatly overrated; and it is our selfishness which overrates it.” — Henry David Thoreau, “Economy,” Walden

[–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The last sentence feels a little “perfect being the enemy of the good.” Outside of wanting purity of intention, what is the issue here, if the result is people being helped?

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It reinforces the system that leave people needing help, and draws attention away from the need for changing that system.

People are getting helped, but none more so than the one getting good PR. And that's not charity, or philanthropy. That's just marketing.

We don't need more marketing. And relying on the graces of self-helping benefactors isn't "being helped". It's being financially abused.

[–] lamentforicarus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

None of this is ever going to change until regular people start voting for their own betterment, at least in America. There are more of us than them, but half of us are trapped in the idea that we're going to be millionaires someday. Or apathy.