If it is, I guess we could all take a minute and talk about how Israel has such a problem controlling violent homophobic religious extremists that Jerusalem Pride has needed a ratio of 1 armed guard for every 6 marchers.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The fact that Israel has a pride march at all kinda works against whatever point you're making.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you feel that needing 1 armed guard for every 6 marchers is indicative that it is incredibly safe to be out as queer in Jerusalem?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who provides the armed guards, out of interest?

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Why are the armed guards needed?

Who are they being protected from?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you think a pride march in the Gaza strip would be any safer?

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

So a pride march in Jerusalem is just as safe as one in Gaza, except the one in Israel has more political willpower behind it to attract and maintain the goodwill of the west? Yeah I’d agree with that.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm honestly baffled as to what you're on about at this point.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What part is confusing to you?

Israel and Palestine both have violent homophobic religious extremists.

Israel gets money hand over fist from the West by being the “good” country in the Middle East. Palestine does not.

Since the West now finds treating gay people as subhuman to be passé, Israel has a vested interest in maintaining the appearance of being somewhat less violently homophobic than their neighbors, even if it means they need to pay 1 armed guard for every 6 marchers.

This doesn’t make Israel free of violent homophobia or even gay friendly. The fact they need that many guards underlines how dangerous it is to be queer in Israel in general.

All of which is incidental to the fact that bigotry doesn’t make bombing hospitals and children alright.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The fact they even have a pride march shows they are vastly better than their neighbours. Stop going to bat for people who despise you.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 months ago

Sorry, I didn’t realize you were unfamiliar with the idea of pinkwashing.

Do you think being despised by people for being queer is a new experience to me? It doesn’t make me want to turn away when children and hospitals are bombed, especially when half the politicians in my own country are working tirelessly to instate their own Christofascist government.

Starving people being bombed in hospitals in Gaza are not my enemies, even if they’re bigoted. Thinking that saying “but they’re homophobic” over and over like that’s going to make me go “oh okay, kill them then lol” is what the kids call a self report.