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[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 52 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Not entirely accurate. Shit hits the fan before this changes too much and we are in much debt. Also infrastructure is somewhat of a fixed cost. I.e. being fewer people does not reduce infrastructure emissions.

Antinatalism isn't ab answer to the problem, but might be a reasonable reaction.

That being said I do not want to advocate for having more children or put the blame for the systemic issues on the individuals suffering from them.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 47 points 10 months ago

some infrastructure, but by no means all. But I think my stance has always been closer to “if they wanted me to bring in additional players, they should’ve made the game more fun to play”

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Population decline will be the socio-economic epoch which finally puts an end to obligate growth capitalism, and the initial demographic crisis will force us to reprioritize how we use resources and technology to support aging populations. Historical materialism goes brrrrrr.

Refusing to make children for the capitalist machine is just good praxis.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

For the time being, most countries can get a younger population by letting in immigrants (who are statistically younger). Would probably result in a softer landing than otherwise.

Debt and money are make-believe anyway. Just tokens in a game we play called capitalism.

I'm not sure about the infrastructure claim. Generally, if infrastructure is used less, it requires less maintenance.

50% of all habital land is already being used by humans and being degraded, which doesn't seem sustainable, especially since so much of the world still lives in poverty. World population doubles every 61 years, so it seems like it would be nearly impossible to stay on the current trajectory for much longer.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.