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@cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @skyfire101 @green
In EU it is about a third that is recycled, and still way too little.
With increased online shopping we get much more packaging material.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20181212STO21610/plastic-waste-and-recycling-in-the-eu-facts-and-figures
@energisch_ @ajsadauskas @skyfire101 @green Australia we just had a bunch of mass fraud occur where supermarkets could greenwash their way out of reducing plastic by calling soft plastics recyclable. And when the scheme from a third party company failed and it was found that there were numerous warehouses of store material the supermarkets said “oh well, we will take over the company to make sure it’s recycled” and then got an exemption to dump it all.
@cooopsspace Trash is big business, especially when you can cheat. There is a lot of criminal things going on: legalized crimes. For example, EU allowed electronic trash to be delivered as "used goods" to African nations where (with the help of one or more corruptable politicians) these "used goods" end up in soil & water poisoning trash heaps in poverty stricken regions. som@ajsadauskas@aus.social @skyfire101 @green
@energisch_ @skyfire101 @green environmental crime should be amongst the highest punishment of all crime, environmental crime is a giant “fuck you” to all 7 billion of us and should involve jail time.
@energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @skyfire101 @green
I go to the shop for groceries, I put the products in a reusable bag.
I have my groceries delivered, I put the products in a resizable bag at the door.
I buy cosmetics from a shop. I put them in a reusable bag.
I have cosmetics delivered, they come in a small cardboard box.
Generally speaking, apart from stuff from eBay where the seller appears to have used a whole roll of plastic tape, maybe some often biodegradable packing material, there is little difference in use of plastic packaging.
The issue appears to be more with how the products themselves are packaged, and the lack of reusable containers.
@siobhansarelle some online salesshops still use a lot of plastic packaging to prevent breaking. They could us paper or shredded hay etc. but prefer styrofoam or bubble wrap @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @skyfire101 @green
@energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @skyfire101 @green
I wonder about the viability for a business that, for example, produces cola and other soft drinks, keeps them in large containers, then goes around filling people’s home containers up
@siobhansarelle @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green sounds like a good idea, but viability I am not so sure, but thing is I don't know the amount of containers out there. It could be very viable if they have the right drinks for where they are. 🤔
@skyfire101 @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
Coca Cola and Pepsi ship out the syrup to lots of places already, for cafes etc that have cola on tap.
The mechanism already exists to some degree,
@skyfire101 @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
Then there is going back to glass. My earliest memories of drinking pop, featured the milk man delivering bottles of fizzy pop through a hatch in the shed.
@siobhansarelle @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green I have distant memories of milk being delivered each night and the empty bottles being taken away to be washed and reused, (the ultimate recycling).
@skyfire101 we have a deposit system in Germany for all beverage bottles - others aren't allowed any longer -but there are still too many that are not cleaned and reused but are PET bottles that need a lot of energy to be recycled into new bottles or other plastic things. The best recycling is re-use. siobhansarelle@tech.lgbt @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
@energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green there is a deposit scheme for soft drink bottles in South Australia and where I am, but you don't get very much per bottle!
@energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @skyfire101 @green
Legislation would be good, to stop this, before that though, possibly avoiding places that do use excessive plastic packaging.
Avoiding online shopping could be good, but for some people that might mean using a car to go and do the shopping, which likely has a greater impact on the environment than the packaging, or having it delivered by a single vehicle that delivers to many homes,
@siobhansarelle @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green I recently had a book delivered from Amazon where they had sort of gone to far the other way. While a paper bag may be good environmentally, it was lousy for a large hardback book which ended up bent. They used to use a nice rigid cardboard book sized carton for sending books.
@skyfire101 @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
That sounds more like an issue with shipping than with Amazon’s packaging.
Books just need to be handled differently and then probably placed with similar items.
@skyfire101 @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
Is the book still bent?
@siobhansarelle @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green yes it's, only a slight bend now. It is sitting under some heavy books on a flat surface.
@skyfire101 @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
There are people that would have sent the book back.
There are publishers that throw out books for very minor issues.
I used to live near one and could get perfectly good books for free. They lock it all up now.
@skyfire101 @energisch_ @cooopsspace @ajsadauskas @green
This also reminds me: lots of paper is not recyclable either.