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Realistically, how can Palestine gain it's freedom? (suppo.fi)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by bartolomeo@suppo.fi to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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We know what happens with peaceful protests, elections, and foreign interference (and more foreign interference), so how can Palestine gain it's freedom? Any positive ideas are welcome, because this situation is already a humanitarian crisis and is looking bleaker by the day.

Historical references are also valuable in this discussion, like slave revolts or the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, although hopefully in the case of Palestine a peaceful and successful outcome can be achieved, as opposed to some of the historical events above.

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[–] joelthelion@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Here's my take on it:

Get rid of all extremists and violent factions internally (extremely hard, of course).
Engage in intense diplomatic lobbying, and be patient. If step 1) has been achieved, I think it would be extremely hard for Israel to resist the pressure, but maybe I'm too naive. Right now, it's extremely easy to dismiss the Palestinian cause because of terrorism. What happened at the beginning of the conflict isn't going to help.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing your take. It seems like a lot of people think Palestine needs to do stuff but Israel doesn't. I'm not sure if it's a double standard, racism, Israeli exceptionalism or what.

What happened at the beginning of the conflict isn't going to help.

Do you mean the Palestine Civil War?

[–] joelthelion@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It seems like a lot of people think Palestine needs to do stuff but Israel doesn’t. I’m not sure if it’s a double standard, racism, Israeli exceptionalism or what.

In my case, it's none of that. It's your question: "how can Palestine gain its freedom".

Now let's be crazy for a moment and imagine that both sides collaborate to fix the issue. I think it would be mostly the same for Israel: get rid of the lunatics, realize that Palestinians are fairly close relatives, work on forgiveness on both sides, and work on a fair two-state solution or even better a single-state solution.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure, not insinuating anything about you personally. It's just that very few people would say "Israel should adhere to the 1967 borders" or "Israel should respect UN resolution 181” or any variation on Israel respecting international law.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I've heard a lot of people say exactly that, that Israel should adhere to those borders etc.

A large problem is that while there was a chance for that, Palestine and surrounding nations didn't accept it, and invaded Israel instead. (Whereupon Israel fought back and expanded their borders.)

So despite being UN mandated, it's not like there was a nice clean solution there that would work if only Israel (and/or Palestine) respected it.

Besides, the UN aren't "Boss of the World"; they're a diplomacy effort. That's a bit of a tangential discussion, but I feel sometimes people treat it as if the UN have a God-given mandate to govern the world, which isn't really true and muddies the context I think. Not that their involvement isn't valuable - but it's still involvement not okay daddy's finally going to fix things since you two can't play nice

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Hamas exists because the PLO was gaining too much political power for Israel to keep stonewalling them; Hamas was funded by far-right Israeli politicians specifically to prevent the PLO from doing all of what you describe.