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unironically. yes. demand your government work for you. (slrpnk.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by stabby_cicada to c/memes

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[–] orrk@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

better than what we had before the whole government thing, if you think this is bad, wait until the warlords come kill you, enslave your children and use your wife as a baby production machine

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The warlords are also a government. However, the fact that warlords emerge when government fails shows that government is inevitable, so the best you can do is try to have a good one.

[–] andymouse 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is a bit of an old reply, but I thought I'd post something I stumbled upon here as it's a response to your fear of warlords: https://kolektiva.social/@HeavenlyPossum/111290743792188200

From the post (it's quite extensive with plenty of references):

“Once people are free of state violence and hierarchy, how can they just stop some bad actor from taking over?”

The assumption is that people who are free from coercive hierarchies are powerless to act in their own self defense, alone or in cooperation with each other.

(The question is usually accompanied by some invocation of the dreaded “war lord” whom the questioner assumes will inevitably overrun a nonstate or non-hierarchical community.)

So, I thought I would take a crack at answering this as comprehensively as I can!>>

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The assumption is that people who are free from coercive hierarchies are powerless to act in their own self defense, alone or in cooperation with each other.

That's the problem. Acting alone is not an option since an organized force will always defeat a disorganized one, and "cooperation" would mean forming the same kinds of hierarchies and governments that we already have, except they won't have the centuries of stress-testing our present democratic systems have undergone and will therefore fall to corruption and authoritarianism much more easily.

This is why anarchism is such a bankrupt ideology. At best it consists of people willing to burn the world down to institute a system that would be the same but worse.

[–] andymouse 1 points 9 months ago

Doesn't seem like you read any of it, and it doesn't seem like you are open to new ideas. So... In the status quo you remain then. Good luck!

[–] andymouse 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Human organisation and leadership may be an inherent part of us. That is not government...

I find it funny the way people just accept that they are sheep and need someone to protect them from the big bad wolf. And, of course, enlist the big bad wolf to protect them.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I also find it hilarious when people pretend they alone are not the weak little sheep waiting on any more organized group to eat them.

I'm also sus of people who use the sheep/wolf/sheepdog analogy since it's literally Nazi propaganda, as espoused by Nazis themselves...