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Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for the white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket.

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[–] snek@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Unwarranted sense of superiority" says the person who thinks that we as a society somehow have the right to choose to end someone's life.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There are things that society can decide. That’s part of being a society. Sometimes it’s stupid, like men can’t wear women’s clothing. Sometimes it’s right, like you can’t be an unrepentant mass murderer and continue to live among us.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Going against basic human rights, that should never be anything anyone can decide.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

On the contrary, this individual already made that choice.

I’m not pro-death penalty at all. Generally quite the opposite. Too many over-zealous prosecutors, too many shitty cops, etc. just trying to be “tough on crime”, close a case and save their jobs. However there have been instances where I don’t have a problem with it. The Nuremberg trials. Or maybe in instances where irrefutable, undeniable proof exists.

That said, I’d far, far prefer this person live in a hole for the rest of their life. Death is too easy an out, and IMO a life with no purpose, future, change, or hope is hell. They should get just that.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

🤣 Oh, you're so cute when you pretend your way of thinking is an axiom inherently better than others.

Communities DO have that right because they're the community and they're the ones who make the rules. There is no god or goddess dictating morality to us humans no matter how badly people want to pretend there is, there is only ourselves and nature, and we as the self-aware ones who invented morality have the right to make those choices because it's OUR institution.

And not yours.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right. Keep living in the shitty current world we're in with that thinking.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We will, because that is the way reality is whether you want to accept it or not. Your god is NOT coming to save you because he is not real. He is a fictional character in a book.

Communities have the right to make those decisions because the well being of their constituents is in the balance. Humans are diverse, self-aware, and have free will, and they can actively choose to do helpful or destructive things whenever they want. That also means they have diverse interests, and those interests directly conflict with one another. A or not A. B or not B. And we can't have both. That means communities have to make hard choices about whose needs and interests it is going to place above others, because logically it is impossible to make both happy. And given the whole point of a fucking community is to protect the best interests of its members, it's those interests it has to prioritize above everything else.

This is why communities not only have the right to kill humans that threaten it, but have a responsibility to. Because its members have to be placed higher in importance to those who threaten or harm it for the community to survive.

This is the world we live in based on the laws of physics and evolution. It is NOT going to change just because you don't like it.

Do what you tell every rape victim to do when they call you out on your obvious immoral shit: get over it and move on, honey, or the world will move on without you.

[–] adrian783@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

you're ok with putting a bullet in every rapists head aren't you

btw your appeal to nature fallacy is showing

[–] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

For the life of me, I just want to know where that rape crap came from. Like... At least they should have asked me first or checked my comment history to understand my view on rape yet they made the assumption and moved on. Ironically, I myself was raped as a teenager /: so congrats to that edgy SJW, they just did something dumb as fuck to a rape victim, big no no in SJW world.

[–] adrian783@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

yeah I'm done engaging, not about to unpack a lifetime of trauma in a few comments.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, that is what is moral. That's why communities have the death penalty.

It also literally doesn't matter if you want to accuse me of using a naturalistic fallacy or not, it's reality whether you want to admit it or not.

All morality ultimately boils down to is our feelings, the community's feelings, and what works in the real world and in the real world, you're just wrong.

It's up to you to put your ego and pride to the side and actually think about what I'm saying.

Now you think that your own moral outlook and beliefs are objective facts when they're really not, and you think your axioms are shared by everyone when they are not. The world doesn't revolve around you. You don't dictate morality to us. We dictate it to you.

[–] adrian783@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

who the fuck is this we? who do you think you're representing? the justice league?

Jesus you're really no better than this murderous fascist.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Literally everyone else except you and your creepy little cult.

Including the Black, Jewish, Hispanic and LGBTQ+ communities whose existence on this Earth you are threatening because you don't see or care that your absurd anti-death-penalty stance is enabling literal genocide, because you are now defending fascists.

You might not like it, but the state executing people like him is vital not just for his victims but to prevent very real crimes against humanity as a species.

But you didn't think about that.

[–] snek@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And yet another essay rofl told you that you love it!

Your god is NOT coming to save you because he is not real.

Sorry, could you stop for a moment and please explain to me who you think I am?

Like what's this stuff about god and genocide? I'm an atheist.

Sorry but...

I want to write this in title, so please imagine me saying this in a REALLY LOUD VOICE just to make sure you don't respond by jumping into a whole different topic, but what god?!? Where in my profile or my text did I ever say I believe in god? How did you come to this conclusion? Man, I think you're like.... confused.

Do what you tell every rape victim to do when they call you out on your obvious immoral shit: get over it and move on, honey, or the world will move on without you.

I am a rape victim myself. I was raped at age 15/16 by a medical professional. My parents didn't believe me and the police told me to better not report it because as a girl I'd get into more trouble than it's worth. It took me lots of therapy to overcome this trauma.

Again, who do you think you're talking to? You seem to get everything about me wrong in every single post and I don't understand what would motivate anyone to waste so much time being like this.

This is the world we live in based on the laws of physics and evolution. It is NOT going to change just because you don’t like it.

It's not going to change if you do like it.

This is why communities not only have the right to kill humans that threaten it, but have a responsibility to.

Sounds like a pretense for human rights violations ROFL