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Human ‘behavioural crisis’ at root of climate breakdown, say scientists (www.theguardian.com)

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Record heat, record emissions, record fossil fuel consumption. One month out from Cop28, the world is further than ever from reaching its collective climate goals. At the root of all these problems, according to recent research, is the human “behavioural crisis”, a term coined by an interdisciplinary team of scientists.

“We’ve socially engineered ourselves the way we geoengineered the planet,” says Joseph Merz, lead author of a new paper which proposes that climate breakdown is a symptom of ecological overshoot, which in turn is caused by the deliberate exploitation of human behaviour.

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[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Blaming the behaviour of individual people is a strategy employed by the oil industry to shift the blame. I wonder who's funding these scientists... Yes, the individual should try to shift their behaviour, but claiming the majority of the blame rests on each of us is nonsense when the richest 1% of people are responsible for more emissions than the poorest 50% of people is pretty disingenuous if you ask me.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You're really missing something here. Just because the richest 1% are responsible for more emissions than the poorest 50%, doesn't mean that the poorest 50% are somehow better people just because of that. They're just in a situation where they are literally unable to pollute as much because of their lack of resources.

I strongly believe that if you took a random sample of "poor people" and put them in the exact situation of "rich people", they'd be polluting roughly the same. Many poor people I meet would love to "be rich", and not just because they'd have their basic needs covered, but because they'd love the luxury, which is what's causing the pollution disparity.

Calling this a human behavioral crisis is exactly on point. Yes, in the current class division, if rich people changed their behavior, their impact on pollution would be much larger. But if theoretically we all had the same resources, and everyone would use these resources for luxury stuff, net pollution would likely be the same as if wealth was concentrated in a smaller amount of rich people, since the resources are still used to produce more than we need. If there are more people on Earth than Earths natural regeneration rate can sustain, we'd still be in trouble with an equal society.

Obviously there are already people that understand this and try to not consume too many resources. People are different and thus some are more/less part of the problem. I would also agree that on average, more poor people understand this than rich people. But still, in total, humans are still pretty much the same no matter the class they currently belong to.

[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

I do understand that, I think you're missing something here. I said "Yes, the individual should try to shift their behaviour", so yeah I agree with you. What I'm saying is that lobbyists for the ultra wealthy try to shift all of the guilt and blame onto the individual as a distraction from more important causes.

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There you are, right on cue. Remember folks, you don't have to change, this is someone elses fault. Keep consuming. Technology will save us. There's no overshoot and no population too high. We just have to tell the companies we buy from to be more green whilst continuing to buy their products. They're sure to change their behaviour any day now.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

People in companies are part of exactly the same population. Companies are not some separate entity acting by themselves, they are still, in total, controlled by "normal people" (of course, narcissists and psychopaths rise to the higher positions...). Almost everyone in this system is employed in some company that uses the resources this is about, and is theoretically able to control their work there.

If all people would change, then necessarily all companies would change, since they only act on people's will. So this is not some consumer-vs-producer thing. Most people are consumers as well as producers by the fact of working for some producer.