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That answers absolutely nothing. Do you think Capitalists designed hardware, or Engineers?
I'm just gonna leave this quote as is, so you can think about it.
I have. Engineers, ie workers, designed the hardware. It was not the Capitalists that owned the companies doing the design.
How the hell did you pick lemmy.ml?
Because people aren't one dimensional objects.
And that excuses a total lack of awareness.
I don't need to excuse your imagination.
Case in point. You think quoting an argument and sneering is a counterargument. Obviously, because you don't know the first thing about labor theory of value.
Someone asked if you think capitalists or engineers did the engineering, and you revealed you don't understand the question.
You are once again building a flawed model of the dynamic at play here in an attempt to ease the discomfort you feel from encountering something that doesn't make sense to you (why did I choose to join this community?). I'm not even attempting to build any counterarguments because the responses I've gotten don't even attempt to understand what I've said in the beginning. To be utterly frank I just lack respect for people who think of themselves as any flavour of anarchist while still dreaming of a system as thoroughly rigid as the artificially created Internet. You pretend to hate the system while desperately trying to invent excuses for continuing to make yourself at home within it.
No dude, you demonstrably said 'I'm going to repeat your argument so you can think about it.' Projecting some emotional state onto me is not gonna change how you fucked this up.
This is mockery. I am calling you ignorant.
I am trying to highlight how you joined an explicitly leftist server, whilst remaining aggressively unaware of... genuinely the first things people learn about leftism. So when you try smugly posturing your way out of a pointed question, you're just revealing you know less than nothing.
Anarchists being naked hippies, of course, not organized laborers. The internet was mostly designed and operated by academics. It runs on half a century of "does this sound right?" collaborative standards. Whatever browser you're reading this in has its origins in anti-monopolist diehards building better software out of spite.
None of which is even addressing the initial failure. Capital didn't design your computer. Intel's founders definitely did, but only because they were workers dissatisfied under Fairchild, who were in turn workers dissatisfied under Shockley. The early history of silicon valley is halfway to semiconductor co-ops.
At no point did shareholders build hardware.
It really seems like you didn't have an actual argument, you just wanted to whine and duck away from any pushback.