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‘Extraordinary’: Biden administration staffers’ growing dissent against Gaza policy
(www.theguardian.com)
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Biden is going to hand the 2024 election to Trump on a golden platter if he doesn't change course, even though everyone who isn't braindead knows Trump would be doing exactly the same.
So a significant minority of voters
I don’t even know if I would say significant anymore, we’re gold fish in this country
It's almost like we've undermined our public education system, built an economy that keeps most of us pretty close to survival mode most of the time, and we're constantly deluged with commerical and political advertisements that are designed to manipulate and mislead us or something
Unfortunately it's extremely geographic. We're pretty singular, but which "single thing" you get varies tremendously depending on where you are.
If you live in San Fran, "everyone" is a certain way. If you live in the rural heartland, "everyone" is the opposite.
On top of that, the number of people that can and are willing to speak the language of both sides is vanishingly small, due to the rhetoric and style of one side being extremely distasteful to the other.
I think ranked choice voting is probably our best, most realistic shot forward, by reducing the importance of the hard liners in the primaries.
The problem is it isn’t “both sides” when neither side really represents, I hope, most people. Ten years ago “republican” didn’t really have to imply mouth breathing fox news fanatic, and “democrat” continues more and more to mean “everybody that would be considered left in a european country but also the moderate right that don’t want to gas immigrants”. Any “side” has several if not dozens of wildly different and often barely compatible ideologies, thanks to our two party system.
To speak to a republican you have to simultaneously be prepared for them to casually support some horrific extremist idea, just be a sexist and/or racist insecure twat, or to just want less of their money going to government programs they don’t agree with.
Ranked choice voting, or frankly any voting style besides first past the post is the only way to fix that.
That's a good point. It's important to remember that each party is a huge coalition of different voters with different priorities, and there's even independents in the middle.
That said, I still think it's important that we stop hiding from and shunning what we perceive as evil, and start facing it down and punching it in the gut. With words, ideally, while we still can. It is possible to simply help people to see things in new ways, it's just hard and unpleasant.
The Israel situation won't swing the vote. Most people support Israel blindly or don't care enough to be knowledgeable.
A couple of recent polls asked "What is the most important issue to you?".
About 30-35% said "the economy". Only 1-2% said "Israel/Gaza".
Why would anyone expect it to be much higher than that? People are selfish and that's not entirely unreasonable when it comes to politics. It makes no sense for a foreign policy position to be the determining factor when deciding who to vote for, especially when we have so many problems here at home.
Lol the US has been supporting Saudi Arabia through their war on the Houthis for 3 consecutive administrations which killed checks notes 85.000 children alone
Some libs who just recently learned less than half about the conflict in Palestine and think it's Kony 2.0 smh
85,000 over 16 years versus 20,000 in three months.
There’s a real big fucking difference
That's 85.000 children starving over a 4 year period alone. 380.000 total civilian deaths over 8 years.
Did you see a lot of protests to call for a ceasefire? Do you feel their deaths are less worthy?
Maybe you should lead with the real numbers instead of the fucking gotcha numbers.
Congratulations you got your got your moment that you specifically set up
OK, so what do you need to do is take it over the last three consecutive administrations like you said.
That starts with Obama for eight years, trump for four and Biden 43 going on four.
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
What I'm saying is that Americans are easily Kony'd into one day waking up and caring about one particular conflict that they never really cared about before, because they are so oblivious to what's going on in the world
I wouldn't reduce it to a binary. I think there's a pretty good chunk of the population who are anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian, but aren't reachable as swing voters. They're to the left of the current Democratic Party and might vote begrudgingly for Biden, but wouldn't vote for Trump under any circumstances.
Anti-Israel, pro-Jewish, and pro-civilian Palestinians here! I will vote begrudgingly toward Biden, but will vote for candidates that do not support unconditional support toward Israel and they have naunced opinions while still supporting Jewish people and Palestinians.
Young voters are significantly impacted by this issue and they carry a lot of momentum. I think the people saying that this won't sway the vote are really discounting how important that momentum is.
How are young American voters impacted by the war in Gaza? I understand they care about it, but impacted sounds like it has more than morale effects.
Trump would be trying to send troops. Both to Israel and Russia. I’m convinced of it.