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[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would imagine any group of people who are experiencing a genocide, to consider any group of people who are fighting against their oppressors, to be resistance movements. Likewise for any proponent of the interests of those committing the genocide, to consider any opposing group as terrorists, regardless of whose goals are advanced by the group existing.

It's Israel committing a genocide. Hamas attacking Israel. And Palestinians being genocided.

Focusing on the second part, and making a big deal of whether or not the subjective and pretty much meaningless "terrorist" label applies to Hamas, is what's gotten quite tiresome. It smells so much like the "🙉.... but do you condemn Hamas?"-rhetoric.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would imagine any group of people who are experiencing a genocide

Hamas took over the country in 2007, after Israel had left Gaza. They then promptly canceled elections forever, declared Jihad, and began torturing dissidents to death.

They have not only actively fought a 2-state solution and secularization, but have opposed Israel normalizing relations with neighbors, because their goal is the eradication of Israel.

Moreover, Hamas has stolen aid money, impeded and corrupted aid groups, and restricted access to medical supplies and food to solidify their own power.

There is no defense for Hamas, and referring to them as a "resistance group" is both inherently dishonest and empowering to the terror organization.

This discussion is not and has never been about Gazan's - this discussion is about OP calling them a "resistance group with some radical elements" which they are not.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They took over by winning the election. And they repudiated further elections because the response wasn't an attempt to work with a clearly moderated Hamas in a post war setting, but to blockade them and conduct assassinations and air strikes. When Israel demonstrates a clear physical veto on Palestinian elections then any election result is moot. You want to paint them as bloodthirsty warlords but that just ain't the story. As for controlling aid, so does every other government in the world.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You may want to look up what Hamas did to the opposition party, but I doubt you'll be swayed, because what you believe is pure propaganda.

I cannot believe you can excuse terrorism in your mind so easily. Support for Palestinians in no way implies you need to support Hamas.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But are you willing to condemn Israel for its genocide?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If they were committing genocide, sure.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No. Not if. Do you condemn Israel for its very real and ongoing genocide, including acts of state sponsored terrorism?

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Do you condemn Israel for its very real and ongoing genocide

If this were real, sure

But there will be Gazans in 2025, 2030, etc. ideally in their own state.