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I haven't had any luck in finding sci-fi books recently. I'm looking for a longer story that takes its time to establish the world/universe and the characters living in it. I like the idea of exploring space or futuristic cities/landscapes and being on a journey together with the protagonist. The story doesn't have to have a happy end or flawless characters, but I also don't like it when everything is hopeless/dystopic and all the characters stumble from one flawed decision to the next one. Some examples of what I enjoyed so far are:

If you enjoyed some of these stories and have any similar suggestions, feel free to share them here. If not, maybe consider checking out the list above... I highly recommend each of these entries.

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[–] SeaOfTranquility@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Thanks for mentioning it. I definitely should've added it to my post, since I enjoyed that story so much. Also, just in case you haven't seen the Apple TV adaptation of it... don't... They completely botched that one imo.

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wrote a really long praise of Foundation before I realised that you've just said you already like it.. instead I'll just say have you read Caves of Steel and its sequels? They are set about 20k years before Foundation and are also very good

[–] SeaOfTranquility@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I haven't read the robot series yet but I'll definitely add it to my list now. Also, please don't feel discurraged to post your perspective here. Even if I've already read the books, there might be others who'll find it helpful!

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure if The Expanse (TV series) ruined Foundation (TV) for me, if it's just not a good adaptation, or if the books are just not particularly adaptable (or all three), but I agree. I only made it through the first two episodes before I gave up. I've heard the second season is better, but I don't know if it's worth it to force myself to sit through season 1 for.

The Expanse is just spectacular when it comes to realising its world but also, with how much depth there is to the characters and politics, Foundation immediately felt very shallow in comparison. Obviously The Expanse books lay a lot of the foundations for the TV series to build on, but I think the TV series did a great job of adapting it to a new medium without much being lost in translation, and it even added to it in its own ways. Foundation's world-building, characterisation and politics all kind of just felt like it was going through the motions and showing surface-level stuff because it felt it had to rather than because it actually had any substance to work with. Which wasn't helped by the fact that the books don't provide much in that regard to work with.

Ultimately, I don't think the Foundation books aren't particularly well-suited to being adapted to the screen. It's so focused on the "bigger picture" - on civilisations rather than characters, on philosophical and sociological concepts rather than particular plot points, on macro-narrative - while TV needs characters and micro-narrative.

I will say that the TV series' idea to use three different-aged clones of Emperor Cleon, and to keep the actors persistent through the ages, seemed like a great addition. It's good to try to keep some recognisable faces while jumping across such long time periods.