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you shouldn't assume that much about my intention tho. and I rather talk to you and argue that being told to "shut if up", even tho you didn't say it, it's how a downvote feels.
I certainly don't want kbin to be a reddit 2.0. but id like people to feel free to express themself in all matter, not only being serious. We don't have to agree about that, it's ok. But one thing that I really wish would stay on reddit is this downvote culture.
Are downvotes not a way in which people freely express themselves?
of course. but it's not mandatory to use them lightly.
for me it's a really powerful statement.
For me it's rather trivial. It just means "I like that" or "I don't like that." It's an easy way if someone says something dumb or wrong for everyone to see that what they said was really unpopular. I think blocking is a far less trivial and shouldn't be bandied about so easily. Commenting in response can be adding to the discussion, or it can just be a super downvote where you explain exactly how wrong they are. You're entitled to your opinion and I won't block you for having a different one than mine, but I will downvote when I disagree.
you do you, but I'm reluctant of building a community where the majority decide what's popular or unpopular with such behaviour. I'm more inclined to design and act for inclusivity.
this is exactly what I wish we don't bring from reddit.
The only way to modify the design to fit that philosophy would be to make it very tedious to downvote something. "Are you sure" popups and multi-step. That way when people dislike it... they really dislike it.
you'll have to translate 15 strings of kbin.pub? 😉 https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/2428/kbin-Translations
Unfortunately, that's not really the common thinking. It was the most commonly ignored piece of reddiquette.
so let's change that! 🤗
I understand what you're saying, but at the time, would you have rather I replied to each of the comments with 'I disagree', 'I don't like this', etc? That's just opening things up for unnecessary arguments that end up taking over a whole thread, which is sort of what's happening now.
well taking up the whole thread is not an issue or is it? I quite enjoy talking with you to be honnest.
but your right, I understand that you don't want to reply to all my silly post. but I'm my book, you could have just ignored them and do nothing.
that's what I do when I see something that I don't agree with or don't like. either reply or ignore. I'll downvote only at the last recourse.
but I understand that we don't share the same value as what downvoting mean, and I'm ok with that. I just wish that this place will be build on the fediverse values from now on.
If the thread is relevant to the topic at hand, then no, and I think this is relevant.
I could have, but I chose to downvote a handful of comments that I didn't think were adding anything to the discussion, and I felt could have been seen on any top 100 reddit thread.
I'm ok with that as well, and I appreciate that we can have a civil discussion about it. Like I've already said, it wasn't a personal attack or me saying "shut up". If I wanted to do that, I'd have commented that, and likely been deservedly downvoted into oblivion, because that's just not productive.
Edit; My first reply sounds a bit authoritarian, I think, and that's not what I want to convey- I'm not saying there can't be discussions that slowly veer off the topic of the post, but at the same time, if you're clicking into post comments, you don't want the first thing you see to be a 50 comment chain that winds up in a heated name calling argument, or two people just talking about PS1 emulators on your @knitting post, especially when there's no way to collapse comments currently (officially).
not answering directly to your post, just having a reflection about the state of things: if you check the thread we are in you can see that I'm almost always downvoted and you are always upvoted. just scroll back from here.
this is exactly the issue with this downvote culture inherited from reddit. the promotion of a single point of view and the exclusion of anyone trying to express something different from the constructed culture.
I'm all about deconstructing this.
This is the point that needs to be conveyed. Not every comment requires a full engagement of conversation. A quick up/down vote to show agreement is all that's needed and we shouldn't require unnecessary fluff.
Additionally, having a log of people's liked comments sounds like an incredible source of abuse for people scraping user data...
up vote and down vote is not mandatory.