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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 102 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Inflation is out of control. Housing is unaffordable. The healthcare system is broken. Everyone is drowning in student debt. Ecosystems are collapsing. We're constantly on the brink of war.

This is a better description of Trump's presidency than Biden's, especially right now when inflation is not out of control, and Biden has done everything he can to forgive student loans.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's how it always works. Republicans shit in the bed, but it's only uncovered after a Democrat gets elected. Then they fix everything, only for the next republican to start the process over.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

Kind of like how W. Bush ran up all kinds of debt off the books in Iraq and Afghanistan and Obama gets slammed for bringing it front and center:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/11/us-public-defrauded-hidden-cost-iraq-war

And that doesn't even take into account the massive Pentagon fraud perpetuated year after year:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/pentagon-audit-budget-fraud/

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's the Republican tradition.. Bash the solution then blame the problem on the other side.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

it's the right wing playbook, the same shit happens everywhere

[–] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I mean none of these things got better under any president in recent memory, they just got eroded a lot less quickly under certain ones

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 70 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Didn't Obama try to come up with a healthcare solution that was undermined by conservatives? Which Trump tried to neuter as hard as possible?

Didn't Biden try to forgive student loans, which conservatives kept stopping?

I feel the "both sides are doing it" argument isn't entirely true.

[–] Jonna@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

You're absolutely right that there IS a difference between the two parties.

But Obama's healthcare plan was a rebrand of a Heritage foundation (conservative) plan that had been enacted at the state level by Romney in Massachusetts, and the most progressive part (the Medicaid expansion) was a last minute compromise to make the plan CHEAPER because the majority of the plan is a tax payer subsidized government enforced insurance monopoly. It hasn't ended medical bankruptcies and it doesn't cover everyone.

Biden is actually better than I expected, while he gave in to the antics of Sinema and Manchin a little too easily and he's still drilling oil and gas, the "Inflation Reduction Act" is the best climate and infrastructure legislation we've had, just 20 years late and still too little. Meanwhile he lets the courts roll him on student loans, on reproductive rights, etc.

So yeah, the Democrats are better than the Republicans but they still SUCK.

Since Eugene McCarthy in the early 70s to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, and recently Bernie, working inside the Democrats has not worked. But obviously neither has working outside. We need to keep trying, and I wish I had a better answer. But we need to do better than the Democrats.

[–] Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

With respect, it looked like a "try" in many cases but consider his decades in politics and knowing likely outcomes of any given proposal. Then consider his best of the best, Ivy League-educated cabinet, advising him on every chess move. If you don't look at both sides, you might find yourself in a disingenuous ruse.

I tried but what could I do?
How could I have known Joe Manshun would say no?
We didn't have a filibuster proof majority (which we could have eliminated with a simple rule change like we did with the debt ceiling- but oddly didn't for infrastructure).
Oh those legal challenges came out of left field and our best and brightest from Harvard never saw it coming.
I co-authored the bankruptcy bill that exempted student debt when I was a Senator but now my intentions are different. Student debtors, I'm on your side now. Don't you see?

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Trump was literally on Twitter bullying the fed chair to not raise rates, threatening to fire him. The inflation situation is very uniquely his fault.

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The inflation is caused by a conglomeration of things, and mostly not from us giving out stimulus. Trump is a clown but he didn't cause the inflation.

The inflation is supply side. That means it's caused by reduced stuff, not increased money. The Russian war caused oil to skyrocket and that caused a significant amount of the inflation.

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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

And he bitched about the Fed under Obama for keeping interest rates low and claimed that the real unemployment rate was like 42%.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Things got infinitely better for the rich under Reagan. Remember Ronald Reagan, the corporate, senile puppet who taxed grandmothers on Social Security while giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy and also opening the door to corporate raiding?

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (49 children)
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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

People unfortunately still have the perception that inflation is out of control despite it being under 3%.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Liberal government here in Canada managed to fuck all of those things up too, not unique to Trump sadly