Vast majority of people want things like affordable healthcare, loan forgiveness, higher pay, and better social security. Every single poll shows this. The notion that you have to raise taxes on people with low income is just a fiction. The taxes Sanders proposed were taxes on high income earners that would've affected a tiny rich minority.

Meanwhile, things like public healthcare aren't a theoretical question. There is tangible evidence from plenty of other countries, including Canada right next door. US has far worse outcomes and people in US pay far more per capita. The fact that this is a debate in US shows just how much public discourse has been subverted by special interests.

The reality is that the ideas that Sanders championed are sensible, have been implemented with great success in many western countries, and have broad support from US public. Yet, despite that, people of US got more of the same. Yet, you think you live in a democracy while people in Cuba who have a government working in their interest live in a dictatorship. This is your brain on American propaganda.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing against Bernie Sanders and his ideas. I'm pointing out that him not getting elected is, for better or for worse, exactly what the citizens of the US want.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And I'm pointing out that the only candidate that had broadly popular ideas had no path to victory in your supposedly democratic system. Your current president sits at 38% approval rating and has dipped as low as 36% earlier. Calling this a democracy is a farce.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You keep saying that Bernie Sanders is wildly popular and should have won. Please cite a poll that clearly demonstrates that Bernie Sanders has majority support among citizens as a whole and would win in a free and fair election.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I keep saying that Sanders was the only candidate that was promoting policies that had mass support from the public. In a democracy, a candidate that proposes policies that are most popular should win. If you still can't understand this then you fundamentally do not understand the concept of democracy. Have a good day.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

please cite a poll

Is the popular vote enough for you? He won it in multiple states and then the superdelegates decided to pick Hillary instead. How is that democracy?

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

No, Hillary won the majority of both the pledged delegates (selected by party rank-and-file) and plain vote tally. Yes she had already secured the backing of the majority of unpledged delegates (aka superdelegates), but in the end that made no difference. Those unpledged delegates would have been very reluctant to essentially override the will of their voters, even if they felt like it was political suicide in the general election. Also, in the Democratic primary candidates don't "win" states. Delegates are assigned through proportional representation.