If we in the west want a different approach, how would voting express that? It's impossible to change our neoliberal and social democratic system via voting.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Get people to agree with you. Petition your representatives. Protest. There are plenty of options, but you don't get change just because you believe you are right, and sometimes you have to compromise.

[–] DerPapa69@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago

You forgot the final step: have your movement destroyed and/or silenced if it inconveniences the ruling class in the slightest. As history has shown us time and time again.

You're free to vote for change within a social democratic framework (which makes very little difference anyways), but you can't change that framework.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go read up on Deng reforms in China which introduced aspects of capitalism into the system. It's worth noting that nothing equivalent would be possible in a western style democracy. It's absolutely unthinkable for any western country to integrate aspects of Marxism into the system.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bob's Red Mill is owned by its employees. Providing shares as part of compensation is fairly common. Does that not qualify as integrating aspects of Marxism (workers owning the means of production), albeit implemented in a different way?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

It would really help for you to actually learn the basics of what Marxism is.