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Canada to announce all new cars must be zero emissions by 2035 (www.ctvnews.ca)
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Canada to announce all new cars must be zero emissions by 2035::Canada expects to announce this week that all new cars will have to be zero emissions by 2035, a senior government source said, as Ottawa is set to unveil new regulations in the latest example of countries around the world pushing for electrification.

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[–] bratosch@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well I claimed that I've not seen a study that accounts for all the different attributes at once. So there's really nothing for me to provide?

But if you really need it, MIT did a study in 2019 and they explicitly (in about 2 sentences) declare that they don't take into account battery lifetime, capacity degradation over time, battery efficiency's sensitivity to cold, the problem with disposing of depleted batteries. According to their study an EV has about 55% of the emissions of a traditional ICE of comparable size, not accounting for the aforementioned details, nor the fact that EVs replace batteries. I.e. they assume one set of batteries for the entire lifespan.

Now, I might very well be wrong. And I probably am (judging from the down vote bombing). But I just want to see a thorough study of both types of vehicles with everything taken into account from basically drawing board to junkyard.

[–] hips_and_nips@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, you claimed:

Production of batteries, handling discarded batteries, breaking of minerals FOR the batteries, and producing the electricity have all been shown to be worse for the environment than than the entire life of a traditional car

Furthermore, when asked about a source for these claims, you come out swinging with the ever popular “no, you” defense.

Again, link your sources (MIT study) please.

[–] bratosch@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] hips_and_nips@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Great, it’s better if you link them where the claims were made though.

I hadn’t heard of earth.org so I looked them up: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/earth-org-bias/

Not too bad. Though I’m well versed in battery tech and industry, it’s an incredibly dirty industry, coming with cited, fair sources is paramount.