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There's a difference. It wasn't a Tucker question, in my opinion. They were asking for a time reference, because, while bad either way, knowing chronological context makes a huge difference in understanding the whole.
Knowing and understanding are equally important
"We need to understand the racists better"
Uh.... Yes?
Do you really believe you can defeat and enemy you do not understand?
What kinda new age nativity is this???
There's a time and place to discuss what the NAZIs truly believe, a clan meeting maybe? Instigating them in the public square only gives them a platform to be awful and seed their insidious rhetoric.
Bullshit. Walling off parts of history and the beliefs that informed them as some kind of forbidden knowledge is never going to end well. Bad ideas die in the light of clear-sighted intellectual scrutiny, not in the darkness of an imposed blackout.
It's OK to admit that you are mistaken. There's no shame in it and in fact, to the contrary, it will redound to your credit.
Nope. I didn't wall off anything. I simply am not going to engage bad actors and you would be better off if you didn't either.
Anyone is free to look up the information themselves. Lemmy is not a fact checker; primary source; moderated debate forum; etc.
If you keep on platforming NAZIs, just kick yourself in the ass everytime you wonder why we can't get rid of them.
You are thinking way too far into this... it wasn't even a gotcha question. Like if he was asking something like "Do we have any proof that X happened?" I'd be on your side... but a question about understanding the mindset of a fascist authoritarian is extremely useful information. Especially right now.
And yeah, Lemmy is none of those things, but it shouldn't have to be. It's literally a place for discussion.
You might know something is bad, but the more you can articulate why, the better chance you have to change someone's mind. Shutting down discussions about bad things just makes you come off as a frightened, tribalistic child.
Talking about Nazism does not equal platforming Nazis.
In this case I responded because the person was getting downvoted and they edited their comment to ask why. They wanted to know, I told them. They sound like a Nazi to me.
Well kinda yeah. If you know where the hatred comes from you have a better chance to turn it around.
Your favorite Nazi: "and I was just living day-to-day calling for the death of minorities. Then one day on lemmy someone thought to ask, 'which variety of racism do you suscribe?' That right there changed everything for me. Someone really wanted to understand why I have murderous rage. I still have that murdous rage but I got to talk about it too! So remember everyone, my ideas deserve your consideration."