THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Well not a lot of details in the article but it is quite possible that they did follow policy. Which doesn't make it better.
' "To this day, we have no information from the school or from the Precinct 3, the Constable," Aaliyah's father, Mark Zarate, said. "No type of paperwork as to what she was charged with. '
If this quote is true I'd expect a citation for the charges pretty soon after if not immediately when picking up my child from Juvenile Detention. Otherwise it would seem like they illegally held my child with no official wrong doing.
So again the article is not detailed but, at this time it doesn't appear that she has been charged with anything. The police are not the ones that issue criminal charges, that is the DA. The police are responsible for arrests and citations.
It appears that she was arrested, processed and released pending charges. The child was definitely not held illegally as there is usually some period of time that someone can be held without charges. Again this feels like overkill in this case, but is protocol.
This is not an issue of police overreach but one of the design of the system.
People who enforce a wretched system become the system. Without them, there is no system. This is an other instance of police cruelty and stupidity, regardless of whether it's 'protocol'.
At my school in a saner era, kids who pulled false alarms were sent to detention, not the police station and juvenile hall for fingerprints.
We were just following orders!
It's the policy. It happened to me too as a kid. On one hand, it can prevent future criminals, giving kids a dose of reality. It's obviously a bit excessive, but it's not terrible either.
Though it's conventional "wisdom", it hasn't been proven that excessive punishment lowers recidivism.
In fact, it's been proven to cause trauma, which RAISES the risk of recidivism and acceleration from mischief to more serious trouble.
Wrong. It's abusive and likely to traumatize that poor girl as well as poison her future relationships with all authority figures, including positive ones.
Not to mention that anyone is more likely to learn how to be a better criminal in US prisons than be rehabilitated, regardless of age.
This is a shame, but all kids should be taught to question authority as well, even if they've only had positive experiences with authority.
Agree to disagree.
Yeah it used to be some people's "policy" to own other people. Do you defend them?
Not even slightly equivalent.
So you do.
Not in the least. Fuck off with your false accusations.
Nah. I think I'll stay and remind everyone that you're pro-slavery.
Fuck off, idiot troll
Kids + police don't always result in a lesson learned: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/15/aderrien-murry-police-shot-911-family-vows-fight-justice