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A lot of millennials learned more IT skills due to user unfriendly operating systems, whereas a lot of GenZ don't have as much exposure to that, due to phones being way more capable and having OS's being more user friendly and locked down.
Millennials remember when video games weren't pay to win.
The digital landscape is so different. I teach undergraduates and it's hit or miss whether they understand what a file path is. But honestly, I'm not sure it will be relevant in the same way for much longer. I grew up installing games from CD and establishing a specific file path and folder for install and if I did it wrong it wouldn't work. With GUI's becoming more simple and intuitive, combined with advances in machine learning and algorithmic design, I have no problem imagining a future where all file structures are transparent to the user.
Imagine an AI llm combined with an OS file search. Like "two years ago I was playing Skyrim and I installed a lot of mods, and I think one of them turned all the dragons into Kirby. Where was the installer for that mod?"
And then your computer is like "I gotcha bro, here's the installer right here."
That'd be pretty cool. But then again it'd probably also go "I'll go ahead and install it for you. And hey, while I'm at it I know you're gonna love this ad tracking program that paid M$ a few million dollars for your info, so Imma install that too. If you'd rather not install it, feel free to find your files and run the installer yourself"
Feel free to build your own computer from sand and charcoal. You're totally free to do things your own way so long as you don't use our platform, and don't forget We Own Everything Already (tm). You're welcome to start your own village on another planet somewhere and take all the sand you need. But you can't use our rockets to get there.
That's funny I'd call that opaque not transparent.
I certainly don't like that there are browsers that hide the full URL. That's a key part of safe browsing in my opinion: watching the domain name and the parameters. Like, if the link doesn't point to a domain you trust be careful with it you know? But you can't know that if it's not showing link targets or if the URL is obfuscated
I initially wrote "opaque" and then second guessed myself, got confused, and refused to look up the correct use.
It's opaque.
I provide tech support to Linux sysadmins and it's still hit or miss whether they understand what a file path is.
Linux, servers, the cloud is still using the terminal.
It was ridiculous how long it was abstracted away on iOS for so long (took forver to get the Files app, lots of random third party nonsense)
This sounds like millennials version of they can’t do cursive
And Gen X'ers remember when they WERE. 😂
More like pay-to-play!
Yes, the early days when games where literally 10 bucks an hour to play.
I miss you, Cyberstrike and Airwarrior.
So do millennials. There were a lot of really popular arcade beat ‘em ups in the 90’s. People claiming to be millennials who deny that are lying about one thing or another.
A subscription to Nintendo Power didn't count.
They're referring to arcades
I could actually see that being a good argument, even though they were talking about arcades
We also remember when most video games involved having a finite number of lives and having to start over completely if you lost them all.
Some games are like this today, but not many. Back in the day it was the basic assumption of every video game. Based off arcade games. And it seemed so natural.
And finite lives was bad. Like super Mario world on the snes. The only penalty for running out of lives was that you start at the beginning of the level and not at the checkpoint.
Before they had saved game state they had “warp codes” that you’d enter to start the game at a later point than the beginning.
Arcade games or handheld or video games didn't have any storage. Even on old home computers if you'd want to program in a save feature, you'd need to instruct the user to change to a fresh cassette for save. Then back to the game tape for reloading the game. And rewind and find the save on top of that to load.
It took a long time before floppies became ubiquitous, even longer for hard disks.
Mega Man X Password theme plays with vigor
Man, I remember when games were as simple as
You mean like arcade beat ‘em ups that are near impossible to complete on one credit? Or Gauntlet, where you literally got more health just from inserting coins?
Wrong generation man. Millenials grew up with consoles and PCs. They don't game in arcades as much as the MTV generation.
What range do you consider millennials?
Oldest millennials were born in early 80s? So when they were at the gaming age it would be in the 90s, during the era of the console boom.
If you were primarily the arcade-trotting group you'd have to be a kid or teen in the 80s which puts you in Gen X.
You speak with such authority, and yet, I know you are not a millennial. A millennial would know that arcades were white-hot in the 90’s. Have you ever heard of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Turtles in Time? The Simpsons? X-Men? All those Neo Geo games? There was also this game called…um, street something…streets of fighting? Street Kombat? Mortal Fighter? Street Fighter? I think they made a second one of those, too. Shoot, where did that come out originally? It’s escaping me right now. It’ll come to me eventually.
Edit: I’m re-reading your post; and you contradict yourself. You say people born in the early 80’s are millennials, but if you were a kid in the 80’s that makes you gen x? Do you not know how math works? Someone born in the early 80’s would be a kid during the 80’s.
Anyway, the more I think about it, the more “arcade games weren’t popular in the 90’s” seems like one of the top 5 dumbest takes I have ever read on the internet.
Yes and most if not all of those landed on console too. Your point?
I'm not saying that arcades are unsuccessful in the 90s. I'm saying for millennials, the notion of video games had shifted from primarily arcade to primarily console due to the console boom in the 90s, thus supporting OP's point that Millenials should remember a time when games are not pay-to-win.
What are you on about? These generations are defined by date ranges and not something I made up. So yes, it is entirely possible that the oldest of the old Millennials might be arcade crawling at age 8 or 9 in the 80s, but a whole bunch more of them are still in diapers or not even born yet. Make sense?
What’s your point? If a game came out on console, it doesn’t matter that it was ever an arcade game?
Speaking as millennial in the 90’s, this is untrue. I, and most of my millennial friends played games on consoles, in arcades, and even on PC! If a game came out in arcades, and later came to consoles, it is still an arcade game. It doesn’t suddenly not become an arcade game because it’s been released elsewhere.
Also, do you seriously not know about Street Fighter 2? This is the biggest takeaway that you are not a millennial. The 90’s had a HUGE arcade boom with fighting games. Arcades were filled with fighting games, and the most popular games would have multiple units and still have long lines of people waiting to play. This was a huge part of gaming in the 90’s as millennials. There’s a reason why people wanted to play Street Fighter 2 so much when it came out on SNES: it was already extremely popular in arcades! At this point I feel like you are deliberately trying to troll, and like the idiot I am, I’m just taking the bait.
Again, I am a millennial who played beat ‘em ups in arcades a lot. They were very popular Those games are straight up pay to win. Yes they came out on consoles too, but a) those versions weren’t as good, therefore b) the arcade versions were still more popular
Whoops! My bad. Millennials started in 1981 and I was born in 1980. Guess I was never a millennial after all except the years keep changing and I’ve seen start dates of 1980, 1979, and 1978 as well. It’s hard to keep track when the date keeps changing.
Ok, now I gotta ask; are you an alien? Because most human children begin walking within the first 2 years. 8 or 9 year olds usually don’t need to crawl
Hmm, it’s almost like the experiences of everyone with a generation aren’t all exactly the same.
Dude I literally told you my point in the next paragraph lol.
Yeah let's make it all about you! So offended, so sad. Look, I'm not really interested in indulging you because this debate is a big nothingburger. I've made my case and other people can weight in. But feel free to continue blowing all the hot air you like.
Lol this all started because you made things about your own specific narrow point of view
does setting up virtual machine count