THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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She unloaded a full mag blindly into the dark, without knowing who or where the intruders were.
The raid was unjustified, but this woman is exactly the kind of dangerous, careless gun owner who makes others look bad. She doesn't even know how to reload the gun?!?! She has NO business having one.
Seems like the state disagrees, she has every right having a gun and doing exactly that.
The issue was that it was the unannounced police on the receiving side, and they don't like being shot at.
Florida isn't exactly known for being reasonable or logical. I'm talking from a responsible owner's perspective.
Yep, they should have announced it. And even before that, they should have verified the fucking info.
While I absolutely agree with you, this is the reality of no-knock raids. Police can either stay safe when violating people's right to privacy, or they can stay safe by clearly and repeatedly announcing themselves before entering.
It's definitely a catch-22, but in an ideal, non-dystopian world, we wouldn't have to worry about either side doing this.
Sounds like she has all the qualifications and gun handling discipline to be a cop
Read the article and you are spot on. She emptied a pistol, through a blackout curtain, at an unseen, unknown target. That is fucking madness. What if it was just kids fucking around?
Now if I see that curtain so much as twitch, I'm firing.
If my door explodes off the hinges, I'm firing.
Threat inside or coming in: FIRE
Threat outside: Aim and call 911
Maybe in the moment she experienced more than what we're getting from the article?
I disagree that she shouldn't have one, but this is her first gun and her first week owning it. There's a steep learning and training curve ahead. If she takes it as seriously as she should.
A bunch of cops tip toeing around your house getting ready for a raid makes for a pretty unambiguous signal to your amygdala.