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The findings by a Palestinian pollster signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s stated goal of ending Hamas’ military and governing capabilities.

Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes.

The PA administers pockets of the Israeli-occupied West Bank and has governed Gaza until a takeover by Hamas militants in 2007. The Palestinians have not held elections since 2006 when Hamas won a parliamentary majority.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And the West Bank isn't Gaza, is it?

Please stop trying to justify the unjustifiable.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

... the West Bank was polled here along with Gaza.

What am I trying to justify?

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thinking that Palestinians in the West Bank should somehow override how Gazans polled, ofc without Gazans having stable access to the internet.

The West Bank Palestinians are pissed at the Zionists for burning down their homes and taking property that isn't theirs to take. Colonialism at its finest right there.

Gazans are dying by the thousands, and since 50% of the Gazan population was children (prior to Oct 7) Israel/IDF practiced child slaughter.

Oh, and here's a tidbit from the poll you obviously missed ... nonetheless, the majority of the Palestinians remains unsupportive of Hamas.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thinking that Palestinians in the West Bank should somehow override how Gazans polled, ofc without Gazans having stable access to the internet.

The... the poll that you posted and that I am citing is a poll of both Gazans and West Bank residents. It's not 'overriding' anything.

The West Bank Palestinians are pissed at the Zionists for burning down their homes and taking property that isn’t theirs to take. Colonialism at its finest right there.

Gazans are dying by the thousands, and since 50% of the Gazan population was children (prior to Oct 7) Israel/IDF practiced child slaughter.

Oh, and here’s a tidbit from the poll you obviously missed … nonetheless, the majority of the Palestinians remains unsupportive of Hamas.

... what does any of that have to do with me expressing horror at the denial of Hamas's war crimes? Where have I expressed the least support for Israel in this conflict? Where have I denied Israeli colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and attempts at genocide?

Where? Because it's really looking like I'm not being responded to, but an imaginary version of an Israel supporter that has zero relevance to the comments I'm actually making.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

... what does any of that have to do with me expressing horror at the denial of Hamas's war crimes?

And again how in the fuck would they know about the war crimes when they haven't had reliable, steady access to the internet?

You seem to think they should know by osmosis.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And again how in the fuck would they know about the war crimes when they haven’t had reliable, steady access to the internet?

Again, the West Bank has access to the internet, and even the internet blackouts in Gaza are intermittent to coincide with Israeli offences and minimize proof of Israeli atrocities, not steady.

If your point is "Gazans don't or shouldn't be included in that 90% denial of war crimes", then, if I accept that for the sake of argument, that's still fucking horrifying that residents of the West Bank overwhelmingly approve or deny the war crimes.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So are West Bank Palestians supposed to vote twice so Gazans are covered?

Like I don't understand why you're harping on about the West Bank? The poll was done on all Palestinians (or at least the ones who had phone access). Why are you focusing on the West Bank then?

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So are West Bank Palestians supposed to vote twice so Gazans are covered?

I don't understand how you got that from what I said. How is that at all an answer?

(or at least the ones who had phone access)

Again, in the article you posted it specifically mentions doing in-person interviews in Gaza.

Why are you focusing on the West Bank then?

Because you're saying Gaza should be excluded for lack of information?

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because you're saying Gaza should be excluded for lack of information?

I said that because you continuously focused on the West Bank.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago

I said that because you continuously focused on the West Bank.

Only found if you have an internet connection … which Gazans haven’t had regularily since Oct 7.

This you? Because that's what started this whole aside about Gaza needing to be excluded.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mate, this person is either too stupid or too unwilling to actually give a real response to you. Please save your sanity.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

I tend to suspect tunnel-vision when these things happens. Happens to all of us, so I try not to form any long-lasting impressions, unless I see a pattern of it.