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Military support for Ukraine has been a huge job creator in the USA. More than 80% of the investments never left the States. The biggest winners are states like Pennsylvania, Texas, Arizona, Wisconsin and many more.
Everyone asking to stop military aid for Ukraine basically asks to stop funding those states, and on top helps all adversaries of the US, effectively weakening the US in the long run. The costs would be immeasurably high. Plus, the US reputation on the world stage will suffer for a generation or more when we give eastern Europe to Russia.
On the flip side, helping Ukraine will boost US economy, strengthen the Western alliances and deter anyone who dares to wage war against us or our allies. It has only benefits and can be easily achieved.,
Here in Alabama we make javelins. It has ben a pretty big boost to our economy. At least that’s what the papers tell me.
Have you heard of Saint Javelin?
I have, and from what I’ve heard she brings a pretty clear message to those in need of her teachings.
Hey smart guy, how much have you personally benefited from your tax dollars making other people richer?
Stop fooling yourself into thinking your ruler's success is your success. They are not the same.
Reputation? Really? I mean, they can keep sending support for Ukraine all they want but to act like this has anything to do with reputation is pretty funny especially in the wake of the US blocking the Gaza ceasefire vote.
This country has shown time and time again they don't really give a shit what it's reputation is on the world stage, regardless of administration..
Since WWII and even before allies, the EU, Japan, Australia etc have had confidence of the support of the US. That is essential as we work on our own geopolitical needs. To abandon a country in the middle of a fight will only decrease that confidence.
Sure I'm not talking about abandoning Ukraine or even criticizing the aid the US is sending here, I'm just saying I think it's pretty naive of us in 2023 to pretend this has anything to do with global reputation.
They didn't care in 04 going into Iraq, they didn't care the other day voting against a cease fire. Reputation with key allies they might need, sure, but not globally.
We had allies fight with us in Afghanistan and Iraq. UN votes have been like that for a long time. They are allied with the US, not Israel..
Reputation with key allies rather than the world stage then. I don't know why it has to be for anything else than quid pro quo with selected allies. That's a different sentiment than global reputation on the world stage.
Do any of you have any actual evidence to back up this assertion either way or is this thread inundated with people talking out of their assholes?
🤔 I wonder what kind of a clever comeback you'll offer in lieu of evidence, like you did the other guy down below.
Sorry, once the downvote avalanche has started it does not stop.
People will assume you're wrong before even reading your comment.
Anything but unwavering support for Ukraine means you're a Russian bot. Those profiting off the MIC have deemed it necessary.
I actually support the Ukraine war wholeheartedly but the bots have inundated the platform irrevocably, it seems.
Those bots are often run by users seeking to curbstomp others in arguments, by the by. It's not companies doing it. Just human nature at work.
Evidence of what? One thing that's clear, those always quick to ask for evidence are those that have not read much and have no other response to the point. So they make the OP do their research work for them.
So in other words, your claim the Ukraine war is fostering American jobs is baseless and you don't know what you're talking about.
Thanks for making it obvious.
Where do you think all those weapons come from?
Workers that could be doing something else.
Until you accept burden of proof is on you and offer evidence for your claims, it doesn't matter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/29/ukraine-military-aid-american-economy-boost/
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/ukraine-aids-best-kept-secret-most-of-the-money-stays-in-the-u-s-a/
Simple Google search will do it for you.
You literally could have just done that in the beginning and spared yourself a whole lot of agony instead of expecting other people to verify your claims for you.
That's how a debate works. Burden of proof is on you, not anyone else. Remember that.
It's common sense though that us weapons manufacture happens in the US... It's kinda in the name.
It literally doesn't matter. Just because it is consistent with what you want to hear doesn't make it true and when we make claims, we back them up with evidence instead of being selfish and lazy and expecting everyone else to just submit to our whims. He has the obligation to prove his claims regardless.
you're the one who doesn't want to look it up for themselves though...?
It's not even that I think. They're just a debatelord.
Yes I should have done something simple that anyone can but are too lazy to do on demand. Mea culpa
Yes you selfish entitled brat, you should have done something it is your responsibility to do whenever you make a positive claim instead of expecting everyone else to do work for you.
You don't know a damn thing about debate or even talking to anyone, and you need to sit down and shut up.
It's not my responsibility to teach you. I don't get paid for that.
This is a chat board not a debate. If you have a question, I usually am happy to answer. But, you didn't have a question, you had a demand. You didn't check, you insinuated I was lying. Then after I tire of you,as I really am now, and give you the answer you have the balls to berate me. Now go away like the little boy you are.
source?
https://www.ethosdebate.com/burden-proof-really-means/
It's not hard, you're just angry you got called out for doing something wrong, that's all.
Now you have two choices: you can prove that you're an ignorant, emotional, immature moron by pressing the point or you can actually go learn how you're supposed to think critically and debate.
I won't hold my breath.
a random blog post isn't an authoritative source on the matter
maybe try again?