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An Israeli army tank killed Reuters journalist Issam Abdallah and injured six other journalists in Lebanon while they were filming cross-border shelling on Oct. 13, a Reuters investigation has found.

Edit: here’s another link in case it doesn’t work. https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-LEBANON/JOURNALIST/akveabxrzvr/

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think its not excusable even if it was mistake. You have to be very sure when you literally blow prople into red mist. Like 110% sure. Anything else is inexcusable.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It blows my mind how undisciplined and irresponsible the Israeli military is.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I get it tho. I have highly educated Israeli friends (military training is very mandatory) and they are very much brain washed into this "us or them deathmatch in a cage" sort of mentality.

To clarify I'm on team Israel as terrorists like Hamas deserve no sympathy only quick death but Israel has huge advantage in every conflict and you can definitely afford more diligence but there's always this justification of "we have to do this" which dismisses any criticism.

Even before the current conflict when I'd point out how messed up Israeli tactics are of blowing up civilian walls in Palestine to make way for urban militia are people would just wave their hand and say "it's just urban warfare" - it's fucking not. No other place in the world does this. Do better.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I'm not on any team here. Hamas is awful. The Israeli military is awful. Civilians caught in the middle are the ones who deserve our support and sympathy.

There can be no peace with an us vs them mentality. All it does is engender the same mentality in your foes, and then everyone thinks any action they take is justified. Perhaps it is, but therein lies the issue. In taking justified action, they go too far and create justification for the other to now act.

They don't have to like each other. They just need to leave each other alone. Enforce defense right up to where the border against Gaza is, and no further. And, vice versa. Continually push for a two state solution, no matter what happens. The power dynamic isn't going to shift away from Israel's favor, and as we're seeing, taking directionless vengeance makes everything worse and solves nothing.

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Man I haven't fought in a war but this feels super naive

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is but that's the minimum standard we should set in 2024 tbh

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 3 points 11 months ago

I can't argue with you there

[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It’s not. You have to identify combatants

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's less naive than you think. You're supposed to positively identify targets before shooting at them. This means checking for uniforms, weapons, and/or hostile activity. Otherwise the prohibition on killing civilians and prisoners is meaningless.

[–] GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 months ago

'Supposed to' is the naive part