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[–] osarusan@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

For anyone else wondering "why did the US veto it?" rather than jumping to an emotional reaction, the article explains the US's position:

U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood called the resolution “imbalanced” and criticized the council after the vote for its failure to condemn Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel in which the militants killed about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, or to acknowledge Israel’s right to defend itself. He declared that halting military action would allow Hamas to continue to rule Gaza and “only plant the seeds for the next war.”

“Hamas has no desire to see a durable peace, to see a two-state solution,” Wood said before the vote. “For that reason, while the United States strongly supports a durable peace, in which both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace and security, we do not support calls for an immediate cease-fire.”

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 24 points 11 months ago

So some total bullshit.

[–] ZzyzxRoad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the United States strongly supports a durable peace,

we do not support calls for an immediate cease-fire.”

Come the fuck on.

Hamas has no desire to see a durable peace, to see a two-state solution

Because Israel does? What a fucking joke. I'm so fucking embarrassed of this country and so fucking sick of being stuck in it.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I'll translate for those that doesn't speak US foreign policy-ese.

"We fully support our pet genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state in their genocidal ventures."

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Oh yeah that totally convinces me to justify the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"We will not be supporting a call for a full cease fire as it would allow the democratically elected government currently in charge to continue to be in charge, potentially jeopardizing the future peace"

Putting aside the fact that I don't think Hamas would win an election today (if they'd allow one), how is Israel not just as likely to break this "durable peace".

Calling for an end to violence on an immediate basis and being upset when your own government is again going against the will of it's citizens, choosing to back a military that's vastly superior to their enemies and barely even whispering a comment on the brutality they're committing on the civilian population of their adversary, isn't jumping to an emotional reaction because we all already figured that was the reason anyway

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We will not be supporting a call for a full cease fire as it would allow the democratically elected government currently in charge to continue to be in charge

Putting aside the fact that I don’t think Hamas would win an election today (if they’d allow one)

You really wrote this out and thought it made sense.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the same way Zeleneskyy isn't going to hold elections at this time, I doubt Hamas would either, although I think the sentiment between the leader and their citizens are completely different between the two.

There can be nuance here, I don't LIKE that they were democratically elected and definitely took a greater grip than granted by that election, but this is the 57th time we've decided to assist in the deposition of a foreign power and government that, although I think are commitering terrible atrocities, only became so popular and so radicalized due to the mistreatment of their population by the Israeli government assisted by the financial and militaristic aid already given to them by the United States.

People elect dictators all the time for all kinds of reasons, this one just happens to be deeply entrenched in our geopolitical expansion and security game and the harm inflicted on the citizens of palestine is partially our government's fault and they and so many of us refuse to acknowledge that.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Hamas seized power because he PA was trying to form a secular state, as part of a two-state solution. Upon seizing power, they immediately canceled elections forever. Then, they stole aid money from their own people, blocked the UNRWA from distributing further aid (and did so again during this conflict) and forced them to teach genocide against Jews in schools. This is all in addition to torturing and murdering any Palestinian dissidents who oppose Hamas.

Shit, during this very conflict, Hamas literally shot people fleeing south, because maximizing civilian casualties is a stated goal of theirs.

There is nothing redeeming about Hamas.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I dont disagree with the statement that there's nothing redeeming about them. I agree they are a bad organization that is ALSO causing harms to the citizens of Palestine.

All I'm asking you to agree to is that the people of Palestine would benefit from a cease fire, if only to reduce the total number of civilian deaths. They cause civilian death, and so does Israel, but as long as the conflict is hot and active, that death and suffering is at it's zenith.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

All I’m asking you to agree to is that the people of Palestine would benefit from a cease fire, if only to reduce the total number of civilian deaths. They cause civilian death, and so does Israel, but as long as the conflict is hot and active, that death and suffering is at it’s zenith.

A) this has nothing to do with Hamas

B) my opinion will not influence this situation at all

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

There is nothing redeeming about Hamas.

You mean... apart from the fact that they are at war with a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state?