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[โ€“] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the first sentence, seriously disagree with the second. The shape of the Earth is a testable hypothesis, we have the technology to just go look.

As you go down the rabbit hole of consciousness and existence itself, with a purely rational and materialist mindset, the most reasonable and conservative hypotheses approach the descriptions of deity. Certainly the more specific claims of various religions are as you described, conspiracy theories, but the entire concept? Wholesale dismissal of the generalized God hypothesis strikes me as evidence of rationality applied incompletely, arbitrarily cut short.

[โ€“] Shanedino@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Here's one of them there conspiracy theorists I was talking about.

[โ€“] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here's one of those who arbitrarily stops using rationality I was talking about. What is consciousness made of?

[โ€“] Shanedino@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nuerons, and the small electrical signals that pass between them. Also religion and there being a god are two different things. The Bible can be easily disproven just like flat earth.

[โ€“] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Notice the top comment compared belief in god specifically to flat earth theory, hence the structure of my response.

As to your hypothesis, I didn't ask about brain activity, I asked about consciousness itself, the subjective experience. It's still very much an open question.

[โ€“] Shanedino@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah I forgot the good old adage that everything that can't be clearly explained must be a God's work.

[โ€“] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What a superb example of hypocrisy. Bro agrees with you, explains, however, that scientifically speaking your analogy is incorrect, and then you proceed to go against precisely the science you were idolizing earlier.

I am an atheist. My mother is Catholic. She is Catholic, because sometimes she needs mental comfort. Religion can be very therapeutic, a community and someone/-thing to prey to are things that comfort most humans. Note, my mother does not believe what it says in the Bible word-for-word, she believes in metaphors. Don't be a jack-ass to these people, they have not harmed you. Be a jack-ass to the people who start spouting entitled crap and try to murder people.

[โ€“] Shanedino@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

His believe that science points towards a diety is of conspiracy level bullshit to me sure maybe there is some chance but its not overwhelmingly true. If there is a god it likely does not follow the fables written in any religious text.

It's an opinion he has based on no or misguided facts just like many conspiracy theories. Yes there is a key difference in that you can disprove that the earth is flat but there are other conspiracies that are not easily disproven similar to how it's hard to disprove the existence of a god, I put them into the same box, they and I am assuming you don't put them in the same box. Sure I could have probably made a larger explanation but I was probably busy in the moment or otherwise didn't feel like it.

Conscience is not limited to Humans, Humans are not special. Why would that ever point to there being a god?