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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That would be like if a football game with a 60 point lead changed the rules mid-game to say that the victory conditions for the team losing by 60 points is now just gaining a single yard.

[–] SnuggleSnail@ani.social 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That’s war. You have a victory target and try to achieve that. We do not know the victory target of Russia (we only know the propaganda they are spreading publicly).

The victory target may also change over time with what is realistically achievable.

So it is difficult to speak of winning or loosing without that information.

In a sports game, the teams agreed on the terms before the game started.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, but Russia is in an objectively worse geopolitical position than before the war. Before the war, Ukraine was a staunch Russian ally, and SW/FI weren't NATO members. Also, they had ~5000 more tanks and a couple hundred thousand more servicemen. Also, CSTO was a thing. Also, Kazakhstan. Also, Wagner didn't attempt a coup showing how weak Russian leadership is. Also, the Black Sea Fleet had a flagship floating on the Black Sea.

It's as if the US went to war with the UK, broke apart NATO, lost a couple carrier groups, and said "we've got Scotland so we're totally winning".

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

In that case, we'll have to change the term from Pyrrhic Victory to Putic Victory.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

If your opponent is beating you that badly, you take a W where you can.
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