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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah this one is more than a little irritating. I’ve encountered too many people who know someone who has someone in their life that was adversely affected by the vaccine. Heart attacks, strokes, nerve issues, whatever. But when you press them for the details there’s always something else, like the person has diabetes, had a bunch of age-related diseases, etc. But there’s no way those things had anything to do with their poor health…no, it has to be the vaccine. Or maybe the even got covid, but refused to get tested.

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's the same problem I have with people who want me to fix their computer. Any issues that come up at any time in the future, no matter how much time passed or how unrelated it is, was caused by "whatever I did."

No, Aunt Karen, the malware you downloaded is not from me restarting your Wi-Fi adapter 3 years ago.

And with these people any negative health issues that occur can only be attributed to vaccines.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

someone in their life that was adversely affected by the vaccine.

There are rare side effects. When someone brings it up, it's important to acknowledge it but qualify the risk. .0001% of heart problem or .1 % of death. Tell them it's like driving without a seat belt because of the 1 in a million chance you get in an accident where the seatbelt traps you. Meanwhile 77% of all people have been in an accident.

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

0.1% chance of death is one in a thousand. That seems mighty high.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"The COVID-19 age-adjusted death rate for the age 65 and over population was 533.5 per 100,000 standard population."

"the death rate for COVID-19 among adults aged 85 and over (1,645.0 per 100,000)"

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db446.htm

Assuming the relative was somewhere between 65 and 85 puts it at around 1 in a thousand.

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think I misunderstood. I thought you were stating that the vaccine caused one in a thousand to die.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was saying 1 in a thousand to die from COVID vs 1 in a million to have complications from the vaccine.

[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah I see. I completely misread it

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I don’t deny that there are potential side effects. However, when one person knows multiple people who have suffered some ill effect it’s obviously not about the science. By that same token I could apply my logic that I know zero people who have had any serious side effects.

I actually just suggest that they drive without seatbelts seeing as the odds of getting in a serious accident are so low in their daily life if they want to refuse the vaccine based on potential side effects. Hemming and hawing usually follows.