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Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine (www.businessinsider.com)

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children. 
"Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday. 
Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country's population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People's Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

"Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children," Putin said.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That’s probably what Russia was roughly planning to do, yeah.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This whole endeavor has been top to bottom stupid

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

From Russia’s end: absolutely.

But also from the NATO end - why in the ever loving fuck aren’t we just giving Ukraine enough to actually restore their borders? All the counterarguments effectively stem from deeply wrongheaded and dated geopolitical strategies that Kissinger would have not only loved, but in fact specifically made efforts to personally support.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I think winning is not the goal of the Western military, the goal is to reduce the amount of military equipment in Russia to a historic low. This can’t be accomplished by winning quickly.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

People need to understand the west aren't exactly acting in the name of moral good, but pragmatic egoism, instead. Just because helping Ukraine is good in this instance, doesn't mean governments do it for the same reasons for why most people think they should get help.

It's realpolitik, and human lives don't matter. As much as I despise that thought.

The west may be better, but it's still not good.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Currently, just like at any other time since they attacked, it's entirely up to Russia to decide how much equipment they will lose on the war. The speed of Ukraine defense won't impact the result.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

That’s an interesting possibility that I hadn’t considered.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, don't forget that this was planned as a few day operation.

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The ol’ Napoleon strategy.

I’ll just invade the Cossacks, this should only take a few days

…Oh Fuck…

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Absolutely, and they pretty much have to commit to that plan at this point.
Before their losses started piling up the way they have been, I'd assumed his plan was to install a puppet government and "annex" useful provences into the ~~Soviet Union~~ Russian federation.
But with the population losses that require women to become livestock for the sake of the country, he's absolutely going to enslave able bodied workers in every region he's able to hold onto.