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Honestly we should ban communism on non communism communities. However I'll settle for just ignoring them.
Banning someone for not having radical beliefs is just silly. We should boycott lemmy.ml as they are effectively a propaganda machine. (Try to switch to small instances)
What political views shouldn't be banned?
Views compatible with liberal democracy
What part of Communism is incompatible with Liberal Democracy?
Why is Liberal Democracy the only acceptable form of Democracy?
Communism requires a centralized control of the economy and thus is not liberal
Liberal Democracy is the only form of government that rules by consent of the governed.
Communism does not require centralized control of the economy, as it is Stateless. Even Socialist systems can function with Liberal Democracy, with worker owned firms rather than authoritarian Capitalist structures.
Liberal Democracy is not in fact the only form of government that rules by consent of the governed. Rather, more decentralized systems offer far more local control, such as worker councils or ParEcon style systems, Syndicalism, Communism, etc.
So wrong on both counts, glad we could have you clear up for everyone that you have no idea what you're talking about.
You literally cannot distribute, and coordinate production of goods, to the extent Communism requires, without a centralized economy. You can have a centralized economy and no other state apparatus. I can't imagine it succeeding, which is one of many reasons I'm not communist, but it is both necessary and theoretically possible. This is communist theory, not mine.
2: syndicalism and communism are economic theories, not systems of government. The system of government you are implying is anarchism. Anarchists are fine (if, in my view, very optimistic in their understanding of how humans work) . The system of government the vast majority of communists want is not anarchism, and I would not ban anarchists, even if they're communists. The world will never just descend to anarchy, so it's all a moot discussion anyway. We've seen countries slip into authoritarian communism in current generations.
You can, I already mentioned forms like ParEcon, or worker councils. It's fundamentally more democratic and decentealized than Capitalism, where the bourgeoisie call all of the shots.
No, you're fundamentally confusing yourself here. You can have a fully Communist economy with structures like worker councils, Authoritarianism isn't required in the slightest.
All in all, dogshit answers on your part.
You result to insults when it really isn't necessary at all. Viewing this exchange, any validity you had in your arguments is strongly undermined by your character.
Nah, they started flinging shit first. Additionally, if logic is deemed failed simply because someone is rude, then that's just avoidance. The person I replied to strictly avoided actually making a point, or responding to any I made.
Those worker councils, to operate with any efficiency, will need a national council. To have any success whatsoever, this national council needs the authority to dictate what is made, where it is made, how much is made when, and where goods are to be shipped.
That is authoritarianism.
This sentence doesn't make sense. Capitalism is an economic system. One can be capitalist and authoritarian, as is the case with fascism, or one can be totally and completely laissez-faire as a state policy in some sort of Objectivist hellstate. Liberal Democracy is what keeps those things from happening, as a competing system of government.
I mean it 100% tracks that a fan of communism would ignore reality and substitute their own
Lol I love when you guys do this weird shit
I have a normal amount of fetishes, yeah. That has nothing to do with this conversation tho.
I like girls in cow print bikinis. No idea why.
I always admit when I'm wrong. I rarely discuss things Im not correct about.
Issues much?
I don't personally think it should be banned. I find it fascinating to be able to encounter people with wildly differing ideas to mine. I switched instances aswell because the previous one didn't federate with lemmygrad and hexbear.