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BBC: The woman who successfully sued the website that matched her with a paedophile explains how she forced the site to close down. 'Alice', or A.M. as she was known in court says she feels "vindic...::"Alice" speaks exclusively to the BBC after her successful lawsuit against Omegle forced it offline.

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[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mm, I guess that's why the park needs to be shut/we can never let children go there unattended.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You haven't said why it matters it was privately run.

It matters that it had private rooms, but there tend to be private areas in public spaces like parks too. The analogy actually works much better if the kid's computer is in a public place and they don't have unrestricted access to the internet through a phone - obviously in either case it's harder to abuse someone in secret if you have to take the initial risk of meeting somewhere you could be spotted, and only then move it private.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He did take action to stop it - he aided in multiple prosecutions. What he didn't do was turn the site into something completely different, with mandatory registration.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How does that contradict what I said, or else what point are you trying to make?

Even though you're quite sure the site owner needed to do more to stop paedophiles, you haven't said what. Is what you think he should have done to have sacrificed anonymity?

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Statement by Leif K-Brooks:

Omegle’s moderation even had a positive impact beyond the site. Omegle worked with law enforcement agencies, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, to help put evildoers in prison where they belong. There are “people” rotting behind bars right now thanks in part to evidence that Omegle proactively collected against them, and tipped the authorities off to.

Example article: https://www.guelphmercury.com/news/crime/guelph-man-can-no-longer-be-teacher-after-child-porn-conviction/article_7b1fca76-cef1-56e5-a9e7-cb9091ac43bb.html

The NCMEC received information from Omegle about the activities of a paedophile and it led to their conviction.

But your quote is not the opposite of my claim. It says that "the site has been mentioned in more than 50 cases against paedophiles." How many of those cases included evidence collected and submitted by Omegle?

Do please answer my question:

Even though you’re quite sure the site owner needed to do more to stop paedophiles, you haven’t said what. Is what you think he should have done to have sacrificed anonymity?

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You haven't answered my question. If you dislike anonymity that much, why are you hiding it? It's important because a lot of people, especially on places like this, are fans of anonymity.

If you shout loudly about how awful something is but neglect to mention that your proposed solution is harmful in some other way, then you're being dishonest. Using pointlessly charged language like "simping" just contributes to that.

And in the article, the police would not have been able to do any work if they hadn't been informed with the help of the owner. Your dismissal is backpedaling: you asserted that K-Brooks didn't do anything to stop abuse on the site, but he did, by encouraging prosecutions against people who used the site to commit abuse. You never demanded that he get out there and citizens' arrest the guys himself, because you knew that would be a stupid thing to demand.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you want to ask questions you have to at least pretend to argue in good faith: I'll answer as soon as you produce something resembling an answer to mine.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you want to challenge me on that then go for it.

I'll respond after you reply to my question.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I joined Lemmy recently so you have the privilege of being the first person I block. I hope you learn how to have a discussion without insulting people and having a tantrum when you don't like the answers you get. I would've been perfectly happy to discuss how the articles I mentioned led me to doubt the claim you made, but not if you consider yourself above doing your share of the discussion.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[–] LWD@lemm.ee -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)