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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago (45 children)

I don't think people join the right because they are annoyed by leftists, I think they join the right because they see a bunch of people full of hatred and want to join in because of their self-centered misanthropy.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% they just use being annoyed by leftists to hide their ideological view points. Just wanted to share this cause I thought it was funny.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have posted that. I didn't get enough sleep and I'm grouchy. Sorry.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Youre all good, my upstairs neighbor were thumping bass till 5am so I feel your pain, about to take a nap before getting started on a Thanksgiving meal. My apartment complex's solution is for me to call the Police non emergency line to tell em to turn it down, cause in their words, "the police usually scares them." Not gonna use institutionalized violence to solve my probelms so I did an annoyingly loud loop over my guitar amp to tell them to turn it down.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't blame you for not calling them. That can lead to very bad things these days. Hope your solution at least pissed them off if it didn't work.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

It definitely pissed em off, and my nap was EPIC.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the same people that say Atheists are as annoying as Christians. Bro, there a lot of atheists you just don't hear about, you're making a lame excuse to be Christian.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, I'm sure there are dozens of legit good Christians out there...somewhere

[–] neeshie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

There's plenty, you just don't hear about them because they don't go around shoving their religion down everyone else's throats

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I live in Czech Republic. Atheism is the default here. Almost nobody talks about faith, since most people don't care, so you can't really tell if someone is Christian.

To me, internet atheists are annoying as shit. I get it that the USA close to being an open theocracy and a lot of pushback is still needed before things are even close to normal, but still. Forceful atheism you usually see online is obnoxious, goes to extremes, the smugness is off the charts - simpmy annoying.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IMHO, the modern US is how Divide et Impera (divide and rule) looks when it has entirelly taken over the public discussion domain: identitarian wars over moralistic stuff that has no connection with real power, all the while those who have the one and only greatest power of the land - money - most of whom themselves couldn't care less about those things, keep on milking the rest for what they still have.

In Europe, you don't yet see quite the same warring in the moral plane whilst excluding what maters the most to most people (you know, live well in a nice place with a full belly) , though I've noticed that both on the Left and the Right here already quite a number of people have been "inspired" by the heavy, heavy propaganda that leaks from the US system and staked and taken identitarian sides in an environment that lacks most of the social and historical anchoring-points that exist in the environment where those chewing-gum for moralism "ideologies" were crafted.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago

I'm right because women are wrong /s

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

People don't align with the Right because of shared political ideals, they align with the Right because the Right hates the same people they do and promises to punish those they hate.

They can scream and wail about "family values" all they want, but when they're lined up with neo-nazis, white supremacists, and pedophiles all praising their glorious leader (who, BTW, believes that there are "very fine people" among a group who chants "Jews will not replace us! "), everyone on the outside has to wonder what "values" they are really fighting for.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think to a degree the left pushes people out though, as your lefty card needs to be spotless or it’s revoked.

Sometimes a person can say one thing wrong and they’ll be labelled an alt-right fascist, and not part of “the group” on the left, especially online.

Obviously that doesn’t make people right wing, but it is a problem that pushes people away from more left leaning views/groups. Rather than try to discuss and correct, people will berate and ostracise.

[–] cannibalia 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Need to improve your diet and eat the rich!

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

You think that doesn't happen on the right? There's a huge fight in congress now about which idiot is the Republicanest. They're all calling each other RINOs.

[–] static@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ok, I'll bite, give me an example of "one thing wrong" that gets you labelled as an alt-right fascist.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Supporting Ukraine, or liking Stalin. Depending on which instance you're chatting in

[–] static@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok you got me, I don't see tankies as mainstream left wing, they're fare gone but wouldn't label them alt-right

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah alt-right maybe not, but they're called red fash for a reason

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

huh, generally i'd say not supporting ukraine gets you labelled as a twat and excluded from leftist circles

[–] force@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it depends, a lot of european politicians for example were recently voted out of office and replaced by far right dickheads in large part because of their anti-ukraine views... it's alarming how common this is and how much ground the left has lost in a lot of european countries because of not supporting ukraine, meanwhile the right used this to their advantage and went all out pro-ukraine (for example in italy with fascist girlboss PM and her coalition). i think this was also a contributing factor in recent finnish elections.

the right is uniting in eurpope for once, instead of hating each other, as well as taking advantage of anti-immigrant anti-LGBT sentiments in the population, meanwhile infighting in the left is causing it to crumble. it's a terrible sign

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

and tankies are labeled as twats and excluded from most leftist circles

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Shouting "Sig heil!"

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Saying you are against abolishing or defunding the police.

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[–] Saltblue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I consider myself a communist, I have been called a nazi or a fascist (I don't remember) by some people here because I don't share 100% some of their ideas, I'm still on the left, I still have empathy, I fully support individual freedom. But they are annoying nonetheless.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

It's a joke, and it references a commonly heard fake argument from the right that they were left leaning once but couldn't stand the people.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I will say, anger and hatred are very contagious. I mean, not so contagious that I could start being racist and homophobic…wait, yeah, right wingers are assholes.

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