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US President Joe Biden said Wednesday he still believes Chinese President Xi Jinping is a dictator, even as the two leaders made progress in their relationship during a meeting outside San Francisco.

“Well, look, he’s a dictator in the sense that he is a guy who runs a country that is a communist country that’s based on a form of government totally different than ours,” Biden told CNN’s MJ Lee. “Anyway, we made progress.”

When asked about Biden’s latest comment at a Chinese Foreign Ministry briefing on Thursday, a spokesperson called it “extremely erroneous” and an “irresponsible political maneuver, which China firmly opposes.”

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[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas specifically notes in their charter that they do not call for genocide against Jewish people. They specifically note that they do not have a problem with Judaism, and that their fight is only with Zionism, AND they specifically note that “From the river to the sea” is a call for a one state solution, not genocide.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the most recent revision. The original document didn't make those distinctions, and it's what people think of.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what you mean to say is that Hamas doesn’t use it to call for genocide of Jewish peoples, and that you were spreading misinformation in your previous comment.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I should edit it to be past tense, fair does.

It remains true however that they said it in their original charter. My point is just that people are (erroneously) thinking of that previous charter when it comes to this. I'm no longer passing any value judgment. The association is valid, but it's based on an old revision and new revision doesn't have that association.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And in the 80s it was illegal to be openly homosexual in most of the US. We don’t judge people based on decades old statements, we interact with them in the real world, now. You are passing judgment, by implying modern Hamas use of an explicitly liberatory phrase (that predates Hamas by at least 20 years) means that they are in support of genocide. Something which “from the river to the sea” has never once in its history represented. It has always been a cry for one party solution, and it will always be so.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree with your first point. The second I still have to disagree -- it's a fraught term. If a substantial group of people find the word to be antisemitic, even if their reasoning is flawed it's best to just not use it. In most circumstances it isn't being used in a hateful way, but the connotation still exists.

Look at it this way. You and I may understand the historical context, but the average person doesn't. They're going to see it called antisemitic, and believe it too since it is in the original charter. If we're protesting and demonstrating to the average person, why use the phrase? We need to separate criticism of Israel from antisemitism, and using a term considered antisemitic by many is completely counterproductive to that.