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Weird to call a place "chill" that gives Nazis a home in the first place imo.
...you say that like they are being invited and not sneaking in against everyone's wishes. Even the Lemmyverse is not entirely free of them, unfortunately.
My instance doesn't have Nazis
The guy you replied to was me. It's wild you take fact that bad actors are pressured to leave and try to make seem like that's being welcoming of them??? That makes absolutely no sense.
Personally I don't even get to see any of them, I mostly see mentions after they are driven out. As much as the moderation there could stand to be improved, I doubt even your instance can actually match your standards of if you can't make absolutely sure not a single bad actor makes their way in, you are actually enabling them. The thing about Nazis is that they lie and play coy a lot, and the more that instances grow, the harder it is to identify all of them. it's not like all of them show up wearing swastikas.
If an instance grows beyond it's ability to quickly identify and ban Nazis then it's bad at moderating itself and will probably be defederated from by instance admins that are good at moderating.
If the users are driving out Nazis as you say, then it kind of implies that the admins are either OK with them being there, or didn't get to them quickly.
So now you are just repeating yourself.
Even though the userbase is effectively driving them away, you are trying your hardest to try to spin that as a bad thing, ignoring the growing challenges of moderation at scale for an idealistic perfection that is not nearly as unblemished in practice as you want to pretend.
I don't know what's your beef with BlueSky, but this level of self-righteousness is just tiresome. And we are not even talking about actual Twitter which is overrun with nazis, This is not a problem in BlueSky. I'm starting to doubt that they are the actual reason for all this fuss.
If you don't want to be there, that's up to you. But I'll probably stick with it, many people that I'd like to follow are there.
If the users are the ones chasing Nazis away it demonstrates a failure (or lack) of moderation, yes.
I saw your other comments. If you were honest over this being about how you are against corporate driven social media and in favor of decentralized ones, I'd respect your opinion much more than this repetitive insistence on the same point that "driving away nazis means they embrace nazis". Which is neither logical and it's wildly disingenuous regarding the challenges and the uglier sides of decentralized social media. Which by definition cannot entirely exclude nazis, even if you are not seeing them in one particular instance. Which, again, does not mean they are not there, it might just be that they are trying to stay incognito. All the more reason the willingness of the users to drive nazis out themselves is valuable, because expecting moderation to always catch them is naive.
If you tell me that relying on corporate social media is risky, I agree with you. There is more to this matter worth discussing, such as why people who rely on social media for a living, such as artists, may lean towards corporate platforms over user-driven ones. But we can't advance in a discussion if you keep going in circles to make BlueSky look bad for the nazis (they are driving away). If you are just going to repeat "but it means there's nazis" again, I'm not interested.