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Hi friends and comrades! What are you working on these days? I'm really interested in praxis and in new ideas of what to do in real life to advance towards a solarpunk future.

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[–] LilNaib 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Love the biking and zazen!

I did really well last winter then got out of the habit when it got warmer (I have a thing about smells).

Can you describe your setup? A properly maintained compost bin doesn't smell at all.

How to make one: take some fencing (you can get it for free from Craigslist) and make a bin a little over 1 meter tall and roughly 1 or 2m around, outside, on top of soil. Put dead dry plants or leaves inside on the bottom at least half a meter deep. That's your sponge material to keep certain things from leaking into the soil. Now it's ready to start taking inputs like toilet material, kitchen and yard scraps, dead animals, etc. Form a hole in the center with a pitchfork or other tool and put all inputs into that hole. Then put cover material on top of the freshly added material. Good cover materials are hay, straw or leaves, and they prevent smells. This cover material should also be present on the sides of the bin. Finally, get a compost thermometer and stick it in the middle of the material. The goal should be to get the temperature above 120F/49C. This will take a good amount of material and consistently adding it through the winter.

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

@hamtron5000

temperature above 120F/49C

This temperature target is really just to begin killing weed seeds - it takes a sustained temp above 140F/60C to begin killing pathogenic bacteria, with ~160F/71C being required to get to the most tenacious. If all that's being composted is grass and garden waste and leaves and wood chips then by all means aim for 120F/49C but if the pile incorporates manures or carcasses then 160F/71C should be the target temperature.

[–] LilNaib 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Pathogen destruction is a function of time and temperature. Generally speaking, a compost bin at 140F/60C for an hour will kill most pathogens, or 130F/55C for a day, or 120F/49C for a week. And generally, compost bins will hold a peak temperature for between 24-72 hours before slowly dropping again, while adding fresh material will make the temperature rise again. Part of the reason time matters is because it isn't just heat that kills pathogens - it's also compost microorganisms that physically kill pathogens in the bin.

Getting compost very hot like 160F/71C like you say will kill pathogens quickly but it's not only unnecessary, it's also harmful, as a lower temperature will result in a more diverse culture of bacteria in the finished compost. Personally I aim for about 140F/60C.

And anyway, note that I said above 120F. It sounded like the GP was having issues with their compost that made me think that 120F would be a reasonable target to shoot for given their current situation.

[–] LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

These are very good points, and I hope you understand that my comment was coming from a place of care for a novice composter in the same vein as yours. My experience teaching new composters has caused me to give the 140-160F targets as that's the most likely way for their pile to reach the minimum temperatures for these processes to play out.

[–] hamtron5000 2 points 11 months ago

I wish I had a photo of my setup but I apparently never did that, how odd! Anyway, it's a series of pallets tied together with zip ties to make bins. I keep a seal-able five gallon bucket with lid in the kitchen, and we toss any organic scraps in there. We don't have much yard yet so there are few grass clippings, but we have added some from neighbors before. Plus woodchips, leaves, etc. The smell issue came from unloading the buckets weekly in the pile - I would gag from the smell, though it was pretty mild all things considered. The pile itself didn't reek really, but the bucket did. I just need to clean it more but with my brain sometimes a tiny challenge becomes a Mighty Challenge and it's easier just to stop.