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[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 146 points 1 year ago (12 children)

A communist nation that can really provide all that is as realistic as capitalistic utopia.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not a tankie, but the USSR had mostly solved this problem, despite all its other issues. There did exist some homelessness, but nowhere near the extent of current USA.

[–] pelya@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, you could get a piece of land in Siberian tundra at any time, I would not call that housing.

Moving to a city was way more complicated than in capitalist US. You could not simply buy an apartment. You had to be allocated an apartment by the government. And you needed connections for that. Or bribes. Ideally both. If you think your local rabid Republicans do not care for little wage slave men, you never experienced USSR, it was like that but 100x worse.

[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, I'm from a post-USSR country and a substantial part of this was the criminalization of homelessness. Can't have homeless people, if you lock them up (be it in a prison or asylum).

Then again, just about anyone, who did not conform to the party's message got locked up. Getting your place bugged at the slightest hint you might be up to something disagreeable and all that good stuff. The secret police could disappear and or beat you up without any real justification.

I hate late-stage capitalism as much as you, but coming from a country that's been through this, I am extremely reluctant to give the rotten and frankly repugnant USSR regime any credit.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

At least they tried. Our homelessness is an intentional feature of our capitalist system. A constant threat and extant punishment for those among us who aren't fortunate enough to be born with a silver stick up our ass.

[–] onion@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

In what communist country was housing a problem?

[–] SloganLessons@kbin.social 65 points 11 months ago (4 children)

This is a trick question, the real answer is that there weren’t real communist countries

[–] Guildo@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago
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[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago

I mean even in the case of USSR they had to wait for more than a decade to actually get a livable apartment, not to mention severe lack of infrastructure...

But of course, better than people just kicked out to the streets. But then again, less is not none. The housing situation definitely didn't do USSR's overall economic status any favor.

People at least had somewhere to go

that's just moving the goal post, isn't it?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Soviet Union? It was uncommon for a family of 6 to live in a small apartment. You can even see it in old soviet movies where apartments would be separated by curtains (common comedy trope).

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure there were extra houses after all those people that starved to death.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

In Communist countries people starve to death because of famine, in Capitalist countries people also strave to death because of famine while still starving to death after famines are over because they cant afford groceries.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The real communist solution to homelessness was to put them in jails. True story.

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

As someone who has been homeless before, I've never been arrested for it.

[–] probablyaCat@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago (41 children)

Woohoo both systems suck. You can actually believe that just because one system is bad, what is considered the opposite is also bad. Marx was not some omniscient doctor manhattan. He had some ideas. Some were good critiques on capitalist culture. Others were fantasy that do not function in the real world.

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[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That's what a lot of red states are doing now. Make homelessness illegal. Arrest the homeless. Make them do slave labor in jail. Profit.

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