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I understand not everyone can shift their diet, but I am curious, if you know it is unsustainable, why do you partake in the industry? Or is your food acquired more sustainably? I'm not trying to lay any sort of judgement or whatever, I am genuinely curious. A lot of people I know that eat meat that are aware of the issues with the industry will at least avoid eating meat at times.

Yes, sorry, I didn’t bother to check I had the right acronym.

In Alabama that quota for unantlered deer is 1 a day during the season. I'm not moving to Alabama any time soon though.

To my understanding (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) transmissions of prions disease is primarily through two methods, eating of brain matter, something most never do, even eating animals brain matter, or undercooked flesh (and/or bodily fluids - like blood, which ties into undercooked flesh).

So it should be safe in theory, as long as we properly cook the meat and don't eat the brain. Since we do the same for all of the meat we ingest, it should be fine....

Not that I'm going to go advocating for anyone eating human meat. I'm just saying, to my understanding, if we follow standard handling and cooking, we shouldn't really have any risk factors for prions disease. Personally, I'll stick to beef, chicken, turkey, lamb and pork. If it's all the same to everyone else.... And obviously some delicious veggies and fruits.

Related: prions disease can result from other sources, such as genetics or "sporadically"... According to the wiki article on it, but I'm strictly speaking about transmission of the disease.

I understand your point and frankly, if anyone is okay with farming Hunan meat, regardless, then admitting to it, especially in a public forum would be social suicide.

There's a nontrivial population on earth that don't see any issue with killing and eating what most residents of first world countries would consider to be pets. But it's all aside from the point that you're making.

I understand you're trying to provoke deep consideration on the matter, something most people won't even consider doing, and I'll tell you that I've come to terms with the decisions I've made, and justified them with deep dives into the logic of the scenario. There are social constructs of what is acceptable that I reject but don't violate because of the social backlash that would ensue. There's also the matter of preference, just as some people may like beets and others don't, not all meat products are made equal either. Venison doesn't have the same taste and consistency as beef, chicken or fish.

There's also the matter of preferring what you know you like apart from trying something you've never had, eg, I haven't really ever eaten shrimp and I have no desire to start. There's many reasons for this that I'm just not going to get into as they're not relevant to the point. Fact is, I can go buy shrimp at any time and have some and I choose not to. I've never had it and have no reason to avoid it, but I still won't all the same.

The morality of handling the dead, specifically dead humans, by humans, is taboo pretty much regardless of who you are or what you do in life, and the dead are usually treated with a certain reverence and respect. So even if you're not morally opposed to eating human meat, it's likely you're opposed to how it's "farmed". This is echoed in the film Soylent green. Fact is, we wouldn't be okay with feeding or loved ones to the masses for nourishment, and most people can't imagine anyone else would be okay with it, which is the critical point of the film. IMO, that a social construct and I further feel that it's disengenous to the point. There's very few creatures that engage in direct cannibalism. Even animals, with few exceptions, don't do it.

So let's put to bed the idea that humans, as a whole, would every be morally or socially okay with the idea of eating human meat. Same as so many other animals on the planet.

So we, as humans, omnivores, can choose to either participate in eating flesh of animals or not, that's a personal decision, not one that should be mandated by any law. Human meat is off the table, and simply mentioning it speaks more about you than it does about the listener, that you would go to the length of comparing eating beef or chicken, to cannibalism. It's a weak argument at best but has the virtue of having a lot of shock value.

For me, aside from cannibalism, I'm pretty okay with anything dying for my continued survival. Same as any meat eating predator on the planet. I hold no animosity to the animals I eat, I don't want to eradicate them nor cause them suffering; simply, my desire to live is more potent than my empathy for their continued life. Fact is, as humans, we are not the majority of animal biomass on the planet, so carving out a small number of other animals so I can live is, in my opinion, fine. Their numbers will hardly vary and I get to live with all the benefits that the meat of their dead, provide. That enables me to continue to have stupid conversations like this, and help my fellow man.

I recognise animals as having intelligence, but as a human, I'll always consider humanity as governed by a different set of rules. There's no jail for a rabid animal that slaughters it's own kind, only that their fellow animals fight it and kill it. Humans are held to different standards for crimes against humanity, since we at least consider ourselves to be more civilized. No single person acts as judge, jury and executioner. Even when there is a fatal shooting performed by law enforcement (or anyone else, for that matter), there's still a trial to determine if the action was just, as we have agreed must be done as a society. Turning that idea on it's head, we posthumously hold the dead person accountable for their final acts and whether killing them was a reasonable response to their actions and any immediate danger to life that they may have posed. We hold ourselves responsible for our actions in the court of law regardless if you died or not. This is exclusive to actions by humans against humans. We hold ourselves to a different standard. We always have and as far as I can see, we always will.

Tribes of wild cats can shift their loyalty on which Alpha Male can fight the best, they have their own laws that govern who lives and who dies, and what actions must be taken towards any winners or losers in their own system of law, same as us. The punishment can vary from disenfranchisement to death. Bears also have this same sort of law structure, etc. Most animals have some way of dealing with their own kind, and regard their own laws separate from other species. It's not like a goat is going to rule over a pride of Lions or anything. In the same way, the laws of goats have no bearing on how lions rule their respective kingdoms. Once you step away from any specific animal and their kingdom, the rules that govern that animal don't have any bearing on the social and law structure of another animal. We are the same way. Everything behaves this way on the planet. Humans are no exception.

When it comes to food, every other carnivorous animal on the planet cares not about the social structure or ongoing survival of the animals that they kill, and for centuries, humans were the same. Now that we have an understanding of nutrition and sufficient agriculture to sustain it, humans can now make a decision if they want to continue to eat the animals that historically were our prey. Some have chosen not to, and that's fine.

Trying to guilt me into making that choice by falsely leading me to think that eating animals is akin to cannibalism is insane and to me, invalidates you as a trusted speaker. You're free to say what you wish, you have the freedom of speech, but bluntly, your opinion of me for my choices is not valid because of what you've said, and tried to imply or draw comparisons to regarding my choices.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

Good day to you.

Everything is more expensive. It continues to be more expensive all the time. So I'm not sure of your point, nor why the cost of beef would affect my willingness to eat it.